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Originally Posted by H0SS  First of all, let me state that we were discussing which division (MW or WW) was tougher/deeper/more talented. Therefore, pointing out that some of the top guys at MW have lost to the top guys at WW helps strengthen that argument. You pointing out some LW fighters who have wins over WW fighters doesn't carry as much weight since most people regard LW as the toughest division in the UFC. |
Most of those LW's I mentioned aren't in the UFC.
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Originally Posted by H0SS Now, as far Matt Serra goes... he's not a top ten fighter. He didn't earn his title shot by working his way up the rankings. He got it by winning the reality show. And although he does hold a victory over GSP, I don't think anyone is ever going to accuse him of being a better fighter than Georges.
Sometimes people get caught... just ask Anderson how he did against WW Ryo Chonan and Daiju Takase. Sometimes shit happens. And if we're going to compare embarrassing losses on people's records, Chael... |
No one thinks Serra is a better fighter then GSP just like no one thinks Shields is a better fighter then Hendo(I hope). Also, everyone talks about how deep LHW is and Hendo is currently #2 there. Where are the fighters that GSP beats who decide to move up in weight?
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Originally Posted by H0SS Everyone is coming off losses? You mean Fitch didn't beat Erick Silva? Ellenberger didn't pick up a win over Jay Hieron? Shields victory-turned-no-contest means he lost to Ed Herman? Rory didn't destroy BJ?
I realize this argument is very subjective, so maybe we should just post a poll and see what the results are. I'm actually curious now, because I really wasn't expecting people to disagree with me about WW being tougher. |
By coming off of losses I mean they recently lost fights, doesn't have to be the last one. Ellenberger just got KO'ed by Kampmann, Kampmann and Fitch got KO'ed by Hendricks. Being 1 fight removed from brutal 1st round KO's allows guys to stay top contenders?
I hear people say the WW's are tougher all the time; I get the feeling it's one of those things people just keep saying so often that now everyone believes it. Really, I don't care what others think. Belfort, Hendo, and Franklin alone are more accomplished and more well-rounded then anyone who has fought at WW outside of GSP, Penn, and Hughes.