well Vera's credentials are mcuh better in grappling. he's been in many superfight Grappler's Quest tournaments. and being a Lloyd Irvin brown belt really means something if you follow the RANK events. Valentijn Overeem is a very suspect grappler if you're holding him as one of the ppl that Assuerio submitted thaty is supposed to be tough to submit. Scherner maybe though i didnt see exactly how it happened. For all we know he could have been weakend and stunned by strikes
and btw we couldnt catch this subject in between the discussions of junior to senior membership and look at the pages go wit useles posts
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