I don't know how bad he actually got "torn apart." It was actually a very good debate (I'd actually give the edge to the writer at the beggining), but they couldn't seem to agree on the point of whether casual fans would want to learn about the complexities of mma. From there, the other two radio show hosts jumped in and turned the debate into a mma is better than boxing debate. The debate really strayed off topic, further and further with the three hosts trying to joke their way out of trouble, but neither side could really get an advantage over the other. At the end, Cruz asked the writer to come on the show in ten years and apoligize and the writer replied by saying that he'd come on the show in ten years and boast how he was right...all in all though, you didn't miss much.