alright, i'll stick around, just for the record it was the"this is your last warning" post that ticked me off, i have try'd to be nothing but respectful to this board and its posters and felt that a final warning was a bit out of line for someone who hadn't been posting things in the wrong forums, if it was that big of deal all someone had to say was hey can you edit the post so it looks like a more serious thread, i would have gladly complied, heres to water under the bridge