Originally Posted by rivethead
Well, I think you're half right.
To keep things in perspective...in no way, no form is Edgar even close to being top 5 pound for pound. But, that being said, beating Penn for 5 rounds is a bigger accomplishment than finishing Mike Brown. I'm not going to bother including Gamburyan and Swanson in a list, as they're not top 10 FW's, regardless of how Zuffa wants to spin things. Yes, they were contenders for the belt, but no, they weren't top ranked FW's. Brown and Faber are the only top 10 FW's Jose has faced.
Fanboys and Pennhaters will blow Edgar's accomplishments waaaaay the hell out of proportion--he's got at least two decisions on his resume that I firmly believe he lost--but he's still not a chump. He's fighting guys that are bigger than him, and he's adapting as a fighter. If he gets past Gray convincingly, I'll rank him on the fringes of top 5, whether he finishes Maynard or not. Finishing fights doesn't necessarily mean shit for p4p, but winning them convincingly and overcoming size disadvantages via skill sets does, and Edgar has the potential to do exactly that.
But yeah...people are jumping on bandwagons without really seeing what they think they're looking at.
So yes...Edgar isn't close to 2--not even close to top 5, really--but Aldo hasn't been that much more impressive than he has, simply by beating up on guys like Cub and Manny.
Oh...and anyone who ever puts lesnar anywhere near top 10 has their head up their ass. Same for Fitch and Maynard...not only do all three use size advantages to overcome smaller foes, they're not even close to being well rounded or a threat anywhere but grappling...unless they have the afore-mentioned size advantage...and even then, you've got guys like Couture schooling lesnar grappling, and giving up 40-50lbs to do it.
Manny might not technically be a top 10 featherweight, but thats partially because he lost some fights at LW before dropping down. I'd bet that he can beat alot of them, but still I don't see him ever breaking top 5 or anything...
Jose's fight with Urijah wasn't even close, and Urijah is an extremely accomplished FW. His only recent blemish before fighting Aldo was his fight against Brown, which imo Urijah proved to be better in the rematch. But Aldo dominated Brown too (as I'm sure you know).
yeah it would be awesome to see him fight Bibiano, but that prolly won't happen as you and I know.
I mean, he's destroyed 3 very good grapplers in his past 3 fights, he's shown very solid takedown defense. and when people try to pull guard they soon regret it when the found out how good his GNP is. What FW in the world can beat Aldo? I don't see anyone with near good enough striking to do it, and like I stated, 3 very solid grapplers couldn't do it. Yes Bibiano's grappling is better but would he really be able to bring the fight to the ground? and there's always Joe Warren but he totally lost that fight against Patricio Pitbull and I just think Aldo would destroy Warren.
..and Aldo never looks tired, he never looks worried, he is just a complete fighter imo...
and yes Frankie is very good but he just lost to Grey a few fights ago. and to me, finishing fights does factor in to p4p rankings. When you finish a fight, you leave no doubt whatsoever. When a fight goes to a decesion, there are so many "what ifs" that remain that it just isn't near as convincing alot of the time. Like Silva's wins over Dan Henderson, Nate Marquardt, and Rich Franklin are soo much more convincing to me than say, GSP's wins over Koscheck, Thiago, and Hardy...