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Originally Posted by rampage9712

completely disagree.

Chuck's TDD was very much like BJ Penn's imo. Very very good, but not facing enough elite wrestlers.

I would make a case that Machida, Rampage, and Evans... atleast when Jones faced them have = if not better TDD than Chuck.

Stopping Couture, Tito, Horn, and Bablu from taking you down was good at the time. But Chuck was taken down by rampage in thier first fight and would have a very hard time stopping a takedown from someone like Evans, Bader, Davis, etc... let alone Jones.

Wasnt Liddell's striking also Exposed? He beat up on guys that were ground fighters that had very poor standup with no real power or speed. Minus vitor at the time, who he approached differently and is now a MW.

Look at Jones's last 4 opponents. Rampage beat him twice, Rashad and Shogun Ko'd liddell. We can say that Rampage destroyed Chuck's chin and he was never the same, but what's to say that if Rashad or Shogun fought him instead, they wouldnt have done the same. Hendo could have also beaten Chuck at the time.

I am also still very pissed that the UFC never made Liddell vs. Machida when Liddell was Champ. He would have lost that as well.

Liddell had good standup with good power... but so did Machida, Rampage, and Shogun. Liddell had great TDD, but Jones' wrestling is GSP like. He will get you down no matter how good your TDD is.

I love how people constantly criticize Rampage's standup, but praise Liddell's. When Rampage outstruck Chuck in both fights... Are you telling me that Rampage wouldnt have Ko'd Tito, Horn, and Couture as well?

Agreed on all accounts except Tito. Is head is too big.