Originally Posted by Fear My Hammer Fist
Hey Crisco, not trying to bust balls here or anything like that, but I've been around gyms way too long to not bite on this.
I completely 100% agree that everybody has different goals, without a doubt, and if somebody wants to work on a heavy bench press then good for them, really. HOWEVER, the bench press is an extremely poor indicator of overall strenght and even more so overall fitness and/or health.
Also, and I don't have a link I'm sorry, but research has shown that pound for pound, lighter athletes are actually proportionately stronger than their heavier peers. I remember a study where an Olympic male power lifter was compared to a female. Of course the male could lift more weight, he was about 3 time her size, but pound for pound the female was actually the stronger of the two.
But like you said, different goals for different folks. Perhaps sheer strenght is a goal for somebody, but how much weight you can move is not generally a good indicator of how fit or healthy you are. There was a time when I could bench press 315lbs, but back then I couldn't have planked for more than a minute I bet. I used to warm up with 60lb dumbells for hammer curls and max on 90's, but couldn't have ran more than 10 minutes without feeling like I had a heart attack.
Plus, DanC was talking about competeing at a lighter weight in terms of jujitsu (I think it was jujitsu), so I would assume flexibility, cardio, and core strenght would be more applicable to his situation than a bench press, and thus Kid's advice, IMO and experience, is good advice.
What some people need to keep in mind is that the nutrional supplements industry is worth many millions of dollars annually and of course they want you to think you need copious amounts of protein and to buy more than you need. While proper nutrional supplemenation can be very beneficial, I believe that 90+% of your goals will be obtained through proper diet and training.
and this is the absolute truth! on MMA.tv SnC forum that is the general consensus especially about protein. all that 1 gram per POUND is ridiculous because science is conducted in KILOGRAMS (metric system not freaking imperial)
as far as other dietary supplements it really depends on your diet because anything outside of organic produce is EXTREMELY devoid of nutrients (read a book called Naked Calories and they are 100,000% on point) so I'd say certain supplementation is necessary but depends on your blood, urine and stool tests (we do those in my nutrition practice).