Originally Posted by CtGreat
Lesnar didn't even attempt to set up his takedowns, he always just bull rushed people and relied on his massive size/strength advantage.
I definitely think Jones would be able to hold his own against Cain wrestling wise.
I think you're overlooking Cain's chin and Jones' relative lack of KO power. I think Cain employs a higher-technical version of what I'm assuming Henderson will do...look to take a few punches to counter to the body to slow him down, and then close with superior power.
I think even at even weights Cain's grappling is lightyears ahead of Jones. His wrestling base is deeper and his BJJ is both offensively and defensively superior.
Originally Posted by rampage9712
I actually think he could be the first guy to finish Hendo. If he actually tries to KO Dan, he will. He a big reach advantage as well as speed advantage on Dan. Dan has slower footwork, will have trouble getting inside, and getting Jones down if he even gets that close. It will be a field day for Jon.
But the most likey case if Jones drops him, is he will go to the ground with him and finish him with strikes or a submission. He could easily let him back up and get the legit KO if he wanted to.
Time will tell, but I think you're on crack. I think you're underestimating Henderson's striking and his chin, and severely overestimating Jones' power. Henderson has fought much better technical strikers than Jones--more accurate, more powerful--and hasn't been close to being KO'd, never mind "easily" giving up a legit KO.
I dont see how people are quick to put Mir, Barnett, or Werdum over him. Their standup is solid, but nothing spectacular and are going to have tons of trouble trying to get him down.
I don't know that anyone is saying they'd walk through him, but I'd favor them at this point, particularly if they fought him now, with his lack of HW experience and the current holes in his game. He'd be dealing with fighters who would close the gap on the ridiculous reach advantage he's enjoyed over LHW's and--if their technical skills weren't enough--they would have strength advantages to go with sheer mass to augment their takedowns. All three of them have grappling advantages over him, and all three of them hit harder than he does if there is any clinch work.
DC would be a good fight, because of his excellent wrestling, speed, and strength... But Jones would match his speed if not exceed it, as well as have a huge height/reach advantage. Even more so than his fights at LHW
At LHW, it's a toss-up, because I just don't know how Cormier reacts to the cut, but at HW--particularly if the fight occurred now, for the reasons I've stated above--I'd go long money on Cormier all day.
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