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Originally Posted by rampage9712

Technically speaking... maybe, but Jones is much more dangerous of finishing both standing and on the ground. His opponents fear getting taken down. He has some good pop behind his strikes...

pound for pound is about skill vs. skill. Jones is dangerous because of his size. I know you can't get over that, but that's how it goes.

so P4P= Skill?

Always has been.

So lets put someone like Bisping ahead of guys like Hendo and JDS while were at it...

Typical poor assessment of skills for all three fighters mentioned, but it's what I've come to expect from you.

If a fighter is able to make weight, their shouldnt be an issue. Why just focus on size, but not focus on other talents like speed, power, chin, cardio ability, etc.

Because weight is fucking nonsense. You're getting fighters cutting 30lbs and coming in two weightclasses above their weigh in in many cases.

And because pound for pound is automatically tied in to size. If all fighters were the same size, how would that effect their chin, their power, their cardio, etc. ??? You simply repeat the same nonsense every time this comes up, but you've never bothered to try to answer this.

So let me guess, you're going to counter with "how would we know how Jones is going to fight if he didn't routinely have a double-digit reach advantage? He might do something entirely different" or some such bullshit.

Well, we assess with the information that we already have. It's subjective, but it's at least empirical. Pretending that Jones would do something entirely different throws out any of the actual objective information that we already have.

Jones, GSP, Anderson, and Cruz are all pretty big for their weight class... lets throw them all out of the P4P discussion as well.

Do you not get that I'm not saying you can't be big and skilled? What is your disconnect?

I'm saying fighters can indeed be big and skilled. I'm saying Jones is less skilled and covers it by being more big. Not all fighters, not everyone commonly discussed as p4p. Just Jones. less skills, more size advantage.

Fitch is actually one of the more skilled MMA fighters out there... He avoids getting submitted because he has a good BJJ game, and can land his takedowns because he has solid technical striking to set up his takedowns. He doesnt get KTFO in every fight...

But he doesnt have the power, speed, explosiveness, reflexes of some fighters.

Spoken like someone who still doesn't understand what p4p means.

Once again, thanks for letting your ignorance prove my point.

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