Originally Posted by W.Silva>C.Norris
I would put JDS beating Cain over any of jones' wins, and hendo has looked like a fighter 15 years younger then he is against BIGGER fighters.
Lets be honest here. The only impressive win for Jones so far in my opinion was the machida victory. Shogun looked like Ninja, Rampage hasnt been a fighter since Forrest told him, and Rashaad stood there, and watched jones for 3.5 rounds. As for the Vitor fight, meh. I havent watched it, and cant be bothered.. Jones and Bisping on the same card.. thats about as entertaining to me as a herpes flare-up.
While I would say the Cain win for JDS ranks as high as anything Jones has done. I think the overall quality of opponent favours Jones I think being able to neutralize Rashad into doing nothing should be considered somewhat impressive.
Originally Posted by rivethead
Frankie is a better grappler, has better striking, and better transitions. And he doesn't rely on size.
I'll give you that Frankie has better boxing but not overall striking as he doesn't use kicks and elbows to the degree Jones does. I think Frankie has great transitions into take downs but he doesn't control his opponent well on the ground in comparison to Jones.
Focusing on wins is how incredibly bad rankings actually ranked Fitch as p4p at one point--given that he's stunningly one dimensional and an enormous WW who routinely employs size to win...it's a terrible premise. |
Focus purely on skills, with an understanding of how they'd be employed with or without a size advantage, and you'd be closer to a traditional, purist definition. Which differs tremendously from the current flavor-of-the-month MMA definition.
It's very hard to say how skilled someone is without a physical gift though cause all the fighters have them to some degree. I agree skill set comes first and foremost but you also develop that skill set based on your physical abilities. Jones uses skills that take advantage of his reach it's only natural to do that. When Jones first came in look at the difference to his game plan he relied more heavily on wrestling and ground and pound which he was pretty effective with at the time.
While I don't think Jones has the best striking or even wrestling out there but I think when you mix all his skills together he is a little better then where I see you ranking him.