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Originally Posted by AnchorPunch

Not true. According to the article, TRUJILLO plead guilty, not Stephens.

The most fucked up thing here is that an American employer is living by the American justice system for his employee: innocent until proven guilty, and somehow people are upset by this. If he's found guilty, fine. But until then, this is not only reasonable, it's the foundation of America's justice system.

I see situations all the time where individuals in public positions are suspended from their positions while the case is resolved. It literally happens all the time.

Originally Posted by H0SS

lol, I'm just kidding Riv. I don't think Stephens should be allowed to fight either.

I'm not trying to defend Fox. I think it's a crap network--but I think 99% of television is crap, anyway [and 100% of reality television, for that matter].

But I can see where network brass would have a guy clean out his desk if he laughed in the face of people who gave him this info, and then Stephens was found guilty and a shitstorm ensued.

Originally Posted by 0mega1

So should Ben Rothelsburger or any other football player that has been accused of a crime not be able to play football on Sundays if the game is being shown on Fox?

How many players are suspended pending DUI's or weed possession?

It happens all the time.

So the guy shouldnt be able to make a living because he was allegedly involved in a fight where someone got their ass kicked?Innocent till proven guilty? Thats still the rule here, right?

that's not what they're alleging: This is:

According to police reports, Stephens and his friend, Dustin Bachman, savagely beat up an unnamed victim until he was unconscious in the parking lot of a Des Moines bar. The victim stopped breathing twice, the reports say, and medics performed a procedure en route to the hospital to help the man’s breathing. The victim’s wife was a witness to the incident.

A HUGE difference between your allegation and their allegation.

When DW counter-programs it is a business move. Because he and his competition are actually involved in the MMA industry. While the CU has nothing to do with MMA and the only time they stick their noses into it is to try and piss on the UFC's parade.

This is absolutely a business move by the CU. It's applying pressure to zuffa to allow the unions in, just as zuffa applied pressure to Affliction and SF to fold/sell.

Its not shady, its just petty...

Again, if it's good for zuffa, it should be good across the board, no?

What's the difference?

Originally Posted by Sakara=Excitement

So if you're just a normal person, and are going to court, you shouldn't have the ability to work?

...ahh...that's the sticking point.

According to social mores, normal people don't have to "go to court." Normal people aren't accused of crimes, particularly violent crimes.

But I can think of two teachers who are currently suspended in our vaguely local news, simply because they're "going to court." And by that, I mean, not just visiting, they're facing charges.

It's all well and good to say that everyone is innocent til proven guilty, and that's a cornerstone of our nations history. It's also well and good to have it say "give us your tired and meek" on the base of the statue of liberty, and we're kicking them out of Southern Florida every day and sending them back to Mexico. Nobody is saying that Stephens is guilty, and he's not being illegally detained pending trial. Removing him from a card isn't violating his civil rights, it would simply be denying him a privilege...and there is an enormous difference between rights and privileges.

Originally Posted by H0SS

Would you let an accused pedophile continue working as a camp counselor until the case is resolved?

(^I know, extreme example, but you get the point.)

It's not extreme. Google "teacher suspended" and nothing else and see how many teachers come up suspended for allegedly doing something, pending resolution of their respective cases.

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