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Afro
06-28-2007, 10:40 PM
Whats the best workout for your back, preferably the lower-back other than dead-lifts?

pillow
06-28-2007, 11:14 PM
I do the roman chair hyper extensions on Back day, and I will hold a weight to my chest. Like this (http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/ErectorSpinae/WtHyperextension.html).
On the 45 degree roman chair thing, I warm up without a weight, and then grab a 25 lbs one for the next three sets, at 15 reps-ish. On the one like in the picture above, I usually go really light weight or no weight at all, and I still feel like my back is caving in the next day. Which is what you're going for, I assume!

I just started adding those into back day a couple of weeks ago and it has already helped my core, particularly in squats.

Here are more possible exercises, none of which I have tried other than the one I sais, under "Erector spinae" at the bottom this page (http://www.exrx.net/Lists/ExList/WaistWt.html)

Clint
06-28-2007, 11:44 PM
More deadlifts.

Also:
Goodmornings
Bent over Rows hits your lower back indirectly as well

Rufio
06-28-2007, 11:57 PM
Yeah, I've done what pillow listed and it's good. My gym also has a lower back machine, although personally my lower back gets killed from deadlifts and the row machine.


The only way fat's coming off is through cardio. The best thing to do aside from sustained bulking and cutting cycles is this:

*Lift one day and rest the next. Eat a lot of complex carbs and protein on these days

*Pick 2-3 days in a row to do cardio. The fastest method seems to be HIIT, which you can learn more of here ... www.hiitsource.com Eat enough protein to prevent much muscle breakdown on these days, but keep your carbs and fat lower on these days.

*Look at a calorie calculator to find out your maintanence calories, IOW the number od calories you need to maintain your current size.

Here's one you can use: http://www.freedieting.com/tools/calorie_calculator.htm


Once you find out your maintanence calories, try to eat well below them on days you do cardio and above them on days you lift weights. Since I found that my maintanence calories are around 2500-2700, I've been eating 2000 calories on days I do HIIT and between 3500-5000 calories when I lift. It seems to work a lot faster both for fat loss and muscle gain than back when I was eating close to my maintanence calories every day.


Besides that, remember to eat right. Whole grain bagels, (plain) oats, eggs or egg whites, 1% milk, 93% lean ground beef, boneless skinless chicken, apples, oranges, broccoli, lean steak, cottage cheese, peanut butter, etc. These are the kind of foods you want to get most of your protein, carbs, and fat from.


Just went into that because you asked about fat. You'll need to eat over your maintanence calories to build up your back muscles and under them to shave off any lovehandle fat. I've gotten into a habit of lifting twice a week with a rest day after each lift, then 3 days of HIIT straight before I go back to lifting. I don't know how your body would respond to that, but it works for me.

Metalhead
06-29-2007, 12:20 AM
I get a kick out of "back fat"

Afro
07-01-2007, 01:46 AM
Ya I did some deadlifts today, and some bent over rows, I tried goodmornings but struggled doin them on my bench. There hard as shit if you ask me, but ima just read up more on the proper technique for em.

SimpleJack
07-01-2007, 07:48 PM
Ya I did some deadlifts today, and some bent over rows, I tried goodmornings but struggled doin them on my bench. There hard as shit if you ask me, but ima just read up more on the proper technique for em.
If you did one rep for every post you make a day, you'd be a beast lol. I love working back. You get that sense of accomplishment because it is a very strong muscle group and you can move some weight, and you also can feel the gains in your core strength.

strife
07-01-2007, 08:29 PM
This thread reminds me of the Chapelle episode where they have that ghetto Real World episode with the one lone white guy. Charlie Murphy (Tyrone in the skit I believe) says "Shut up white boy before I cut some bacon off your back." Just makes me laugh. And Afro, listen to what these guys say, they won't steer you wrong.

Afro
07-01-2007, 08:33 PM
If you did one rep for every post you make a day, you'd be a beast lol. I love working back. You get that sense of accomplishment because it is a very strong muscle group and you can move some weight, and you also can feel the gains in your core strength.
Rooofl ahh thats messed up, but still funny.

ScottS
07-01-2007, 08:53 PM
The only way fat's coming off is through cardio. The best thing to do aside from sustained bulking and cutting cycles is this:


At one of my leanest points I did little to no cardio.

strife
07-01-2007, 09:29 PM
At one of my leanest points I did little to no cardio.

One might say you're genetically gifted to do no cardio and be at your leanest point? Pretty sure if you did cardio you would have been leaner, lol.

Rufio
07-01-2007, 10:06 PM
At one of my leanest points I did little to no cardio.



You're probably gifted with a fast metabolism then. Added muscle mass speeds up your metabolism (I believe an extra thousand calories burned per month with each pound of muscle), so adding muscle can work for long term fat loss, especially if you eat JUST enough to get maximum muscle gains without converting any leftover calories into fat. I know I lost fat one semester when I was just lifting, but it wasn't NEARLY as fast as it is now. I lost fat faster doing long steady rate cardio, but I lost some strength and energy as well. Doing HIIT I seem to be dropping fat as quickly as with marathon cardio sessions, but without the strength loss.


Also Afro, getting some wider lats can help distract from lovehandle fat. Make sure you're doing lat pulldowns, rows, chins, etc.

Kimuras"R"Us
07-02-2007, 05:00 AM
I hate deadlifts with a fuckin passion.... I just felt like getting that out there.

Rufio
07-02-2007, 05:37 AM
Yeah, me too. They're perhaps the least fun excercise of all, and one of the most difficult when it comes to mastering correct form.

Clint
07-02-2007, 02:53 PM
Deadlifts are great. They are your chance to really move a pile of weights off the floor. I love them (although I usually love them a while lot less when I wake up and can't fucking walk)

SimpleJack
07-02-2007, 03:53 PM
Folks who are having trouble with form could also attempt "Sumo" style lifts. If you google it I'm sure you will see the form. It spreads the legs wider and puts pressure on the hips rather than the lower back.

Clint
07-02-2007, 04:01 PM
Folks who are having trouble with form could also attempt "Sumo" style lifts. If you google it I'm sure you will see the form. It spreads the legs wider and puts pressure on the hips rather than the lower back.
yeah alot of people that are built lankier are better suited to pull sumo style.

pillow
07-02-2007, 05:38 PM
Folks who are having trouble with form could also attempt "Sumo" style lifts. If you google it I'm sure you will see the form. It spreads the legs wider and puts pressure on the hips rather than the lower back.


Sumo Deadlift (http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/GluteusMaximus/BBSumoDeadlift.html)

ScottS
07-04-2007, 09:36 AM
You're probably gifted with a fast metabolism then. Added muscle mass speeds up your metabolism (I believe an extra thousand calories burned per month with each pound of muscle), so adding muscle can work for long term fat loss, especially if you eat JUST enough to get maximum muscle gains without converting any leftover calories into fat. I know I lost fat one semester when I was just lifting, but it wasn't NEARLY as fast as it is now. I lost fat faster doing long steady rate cardio, but I lost some strength and energy as well. Doing HIIT I seem to be dropping fat as quickly as with marathon cardio sessions, but without the strength loss.


Also Afro, getting some wider lats can help distract from lovehandle fat. Make sure you're doing lat pulldowns, rows, chins, etc.


Definitely not genetically gifted. :) I had a few months where I was able to devote my life to my body. Luckily my degrees are in exercise science and athletic training so I sort of had an idea of what I was doing.
I actually want to say I did no cardio but I can't remember if I was jogging to the gym or not during that period.

ftballdk
07-10-2007, 05:30 PM
You could also try some sledgehammer training. I know my back is dead the day after sledging, check out rosstraing.com, he's got some good stuff. Medicine ball slams also work my back well.