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oscar
07-13-2007, 12:43 PM
What do you,you think boxing will ever go back and be on top 5 sports again??

You think Boxing will have popularity again or do you see boxing dying like hockey??

Mirko
07-13-2007, 12:54 PM
Short answer, I hate to say it, No.

Punk Ass
07-13-2007, 02:48 PM
The fact that Floyd Mayweather vs De La Hoya broke records means it still is one of the top 5 sports in the word, if not the top since world wide accepted.

This is a pointless thread anyways since there is no accual facts to back up your claim that boxing is not one of the top 5 most popular sports.

Afro
07-13-2007, 05:50 PM
Exactly if PBF vs DLH is breaking records, whats gonna happen when two boxers who are actually exciting step into the ring? and with DLH still boxing thats gonna happen.. I mean imagine Cotto vs DLH.

TheBonger
07-13-2007, 06:05 PM
Exactly if PBF vs DLH is breaking records, whats gonna happen when two boxers who are actually exciting step into the ring? and with DLH still boxing thats gonna happen.. I mean imagine Cotto vs DLH.

what are you saying Cotta/DLH will outsellf PBF/DLH? I just dont see no way that happens, sure PBF/DLH broke the records but that doesnt mean that the sport as a whole is healthy. I really just can not see Boxing thriving in America without a HW division, it has always been about the big guys in the US and until that get the dreadful HW situation turned around It wont go but so far over here.

Afro
07-13-2007, 06:08 PM
what are you saying Cotta/DLH will outsellf PBF/DLH? I just dont see no way that happens, sure PBF/DLH broke the records but that doesnt mean that the sport as a whole is healthy. I really just can not see Boxing thriving in America without a HW division, it has always been about the big guys in the US and until that get the dreadful HW situation turned around It wont go but so far over here.
Considering how many PRs Cotto already draws to his fight, add that to the fact that its PR vx Mexico, and that Cotto is up there with the best.. and its a very exciting matchup.. the only reason it wont outself PBF/DLH is because Cotto doesnt run his mouth like PBF and isnt the P4P best.. but it would be a better fight, and itll do huge in buys.

and the HW division in boxing is slowly comin back to its feet

Punk Ass
07-13-2007, 07:02 PM
what are you saying Cotta/DLH will outsellf PBF/DLH? I just dont see no way that happens, sure PBF/DLH broke the records but that doesnt mean that the sport as a whole is healthy. I really just can not see Boxing thriving in America without a HW division, it has always been about the big guys in the US and until that get the dreadful HW situation turned around It wont go but so far over here.

The reason it will be just as good is because Cotto is getting a lot of promo right now, and he's known to be a slugger. He will come to fight and wont back down or run around the ring.

The way many people was disapointed at the DLH vs PBF fight, the promo will work opposite were the analysts will be saying this wont be a cutsy fight like PBF would want. It would only end in KO, most likely in DLH's favor.

TheBonger
07-13-2007, 07:18 PM
it would definitely be a more exciting fight, I just dont think it could match the hype around the DLH/PBF which was one of if not the main reason for alot of those buys. I dont remember anyfight since Lewis/Tyson being built up and getting the coverage that DLH/PBF got. But we shall see, DLH can't keep going forever and boxing is going to need someone to put asses in the sells and sell those PPVs. I definitely think that alot of people went Chicken Little on boxing very prematurely but too turn the blind eye and say that boxing doesnt have major problems would be naive.

Afro
07-13-2007, 11:32 PM
it would definitely be a more exciting fight, I just dont think it could match the hype around the DLH/PBF which was one of if not the main reason for alot of those buys. I dont remember anyfight since Lewis/Tyson being built up and getting the coverage that DLH/PBF got. But we shall see, DLH can't keep going forever and boxing is going to need someone to put asses in the sells and sell those PPVs. I definitely think that alot of people went Chicken Little on boxing very prematurely but too turn the blind eye and say that boxing doesnt have major problems would be naive.
But ill guarantee you one thing, people will want to see a Cotto/DLH rematch waay more then they would PBF/DLH.. and I dont understand this whole DLH carrying boxing thing.. if Boxing is dying now, and its because DLH is the only guy carrying the sport.. why wasnt this brought up in the 90s? I think the most anyone can say is.. Boxing has a weak HW division, cuz DLH was still the big star in the 90s and outside of the HW division he was the only guy sellin'! if you werent paying to see Holyfield or Tyson, you were paying to see DLH and thats it!

Salvy_Mic
07-13-2007, 11:49 PM
Boxing is definitely in a downturn, and its due to a lot more factors than just the weak HW division (though an identifiable, exciting, and more importantly, undisputed champion would go a long way in helping that problem), but it also has to do with pointless promotional squabbles (Arum once feuding with GBP, Arum currently feuding with Gary Shaw, etc.), which means a lot of the really good fights can't be made, the sanctioning organizations who just keep doing everything to screw up boxing because it keeps money flowing into their coffers, HBO not signing on for big fights, instead often televising piss poor ones like Taylor/Spinks on a regular basis, and most importantly, too many important fights on PPV. As well as fights like Marquez/Barrera, Cotto/Judah, and Pacquiao/Solis have done, and as anticipated as Marquez/Barrios and Hopkins/Wright (debatable, actually), all these fights should have been offered free on HBO rather than PPV. As far as I'm concerned, the only fights this year that have been made or are going to be made that are worthy of PPV have been de la Hoya/Mayweather and Pacquiao/Barrera II. And asides from that, there just haven't been very many marketable American boxers around that American boxing fight fans can gravitate to (Taylor consistently disappoints every time out, Mayweather's fights are consistently boring and he alienates most people with his attitude, Wright, Hopkins, and de la Hoya are all getting near the end of their runs). The guys drawing the big money and hype these days are from other countries, bringing rabid, devoted followings with them (Pacquiao, Hatton, Cotto, etc.).

But this doesn't mean that boxing can't regain a lot of its former prominence. It's really only in the U.S. that boxing is in bad shape, anywhere else and boxing is still king. Boxing has been in worse shape than this before (the years before Ali won the HW title from Liston and after Paret was killed on national TV), and even then, it bounced back to international as well as American prominence. There's things that need to be done though.

TheBonger
07-14-2007, 12:32 AM
But ill guarantee you one thing, people will want to see a Cotto/DLH rematch waay more then they would PBF/DLH.. and I dont understand this whole DLH carrying boxing thing.. if Boxing is dying now, and its because DLH is the only guy carrying the sport.. why wasnt this brought up in the 90s? I think the most anyone can say is.. Boxing has a weak HW division, cuz DLH was still the big star in the 90s and outside of the HW division he was the only guy sellin'! if you werent paying to see Holyfield or Tyson, you were paying to see DLH and thats it!

you answer your own question there. DLH was a big star back then but he wasnt the only big star, the HW division could be counted on back then. Now there is nothin there who in the HW division can sell a PPV in the US right now? The reason no body said anything in the 90s because DLH wasnt alone the HWs where there. Im wouldnt say boxing is dying because there its the except opposite in some parts of the world especially europe but I would say it is dying America. It used to be a foundation sport for us and now it is nothing more then a niche sport and that niche is only getting smaller.

Lord Faust
07-14-2007, 11:30 AM
Until there are definitive champions, rather than handfuls of promotions running around with their own champs, boxing is not going anywhere good. There are too many big fish flopping around in kiddie pools.

If anything, boxing is descending to the previous status of MMA and pro wreslting; lots of little territories running around, each with a handful of stars. Conversely, now in MMA and pro-wrestling, you have each sport-industry with a single dominant promotion -- there is competition, but on a lower level. I'm not going to pretend there aren't issues with the UFC and WWE 'monopolies', but at the very least they generate enormous amounts of income and have identifiable champions.

Back in the day, you used to be able to say "the heavyweight champion" without somone asking "which one?"

TV coverage is a big one too. If matchmakers were free to work their magic, and considering the sheer amount of boxing talent out there, it would not be hard to push out a week's worth of carefully selected fights for HBO and free TV. Hook the casual fans with the contendership fights; let people follow the career progressions of up-and-coming talent -- with some sort fo vested emotional interest in the fighters, it's a lot easier to charge those hefty PPV prices.

Just some thoughts I've had for a while...