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Jem7dbk
07-31-2007, 10:47 AM
I've been a member at this site for months upon months now and I have really enjoy getting my MMA news and videos here. However, because I did not...we'll say actively participate in discussion (reading once or twice a day isn't active I suppose), I have been denied entry to pics/videos and such that I had been accustomed too. Point being, I'm actively trying to regain such privileges and I do not see a better way than to come on down to good ol' noob jack city. But I digress...

I was wondering what everyone here thought were some of the best unlearned abilities or talents that a particular fighter possesses. Examples that come to mind are:

1. Fedor's ability to keep cool under pressure
2. BJ Penn's flexibility
3. A. Silva's coordination (striking accuracy)

Granted some of these can be learned, but usually in somewhat unconventional methods. Lets hear some others :)

matto
07-31-2007, 11:01 AM
I've been a member at this site for months upon months now and I have really enjoy getting my MMA news and videos here. However, because I did not...we'll say actively participate in discussion (reading once or twice a day isn't active I suppose), I have been denied entry to pics/videos and such that I had been accustomed too. Point being, I'm actively trying to regain such privileges and I do not see a better way than to come on down to good ol' noob jack city. But I digress...

I was wondering what everyone here thought were some of the best unlearned abilities or talents that a particular fighter possesses. Examples that come to mind are:

1. Fedor's ability to keep cool under pressure
2. BJ Penn's flexibility
3. A. Silva's coordination (striking accuracy)

Granted some of these can be learned, but usually in somewhat unconventional methods. Lets hear some others :)


very good choices, fedor can be agressive at the right times but calm at the right times as well. probably hunts chin would be a good one. also i have been naturally gifted in certain areas but lets keep to the topic.

valheruking
07-31-2007, 04:20 PM
Randlemans strenght/explosiveness.

CEVANS
07-31-2007, 05:32 PM
melvin gullard's (sp?) speed

Punk Ass
07-31-2007, 06:28 PM
I was wondering what everyone here thought were some of the best unlearned abilities or talents that a particular fighter possesses. Examples that come to mind are:

1. Fedor's ability to keep cool under pressure
2. BJ Penn's flexibility
3. A. Silva's coordination (striking accuracy)

Granted some of these can be learned, but usually in somewhat unconventional methods. Lets hear some others :)

Everything you mentioned is not natural ability. Staying cool, Flexiblity, and accuracy certainly can be taught.

What can't be taught is Chuck Liddell's punching power, Rampage's freakish strength, Vitor Belfort's blazing hand speed.

Some things just can't be taught. Which is the reason why you only have one Floyd Mayweather, Fedor, Michael Jordan.

Fedor IMO is very naturally athletic. Maybe he didn't have good foot speed for soccer, or a good jump shot, but he sure as hell was made for fighting. He is very very quick and explosive. He's is relentless, he accually doesn't keep cool IMO; he doesn't give his opponents the chance to breath. He's a fucking animal.

BJ Penn has the freakish ability to learn very quickly. He became a black belt in BJJ in 2 years, and now is an extremely good striker. In fact, a better striker than most in his division. To me, he is probably the best P4P in the WW and LW, depending on health and cardio.

Rampage has some crazy retard strenth IMO. I seen many very built MMArtists but non that can slam the hell outta people like Rampage.

Cung Le! Dude is just amazing. Extremly fast and powerful. He's the total package IMO. But to be one of the best, you usually have to be.

Jem7dbk
07-31-2007, 08:01 PM
Everything you mentioned is not natural ability. Staying cool, Flexiblity, and accuracy certainly can be taught.


I disagree. Some people are naturally flexible, coordinated, strong, etc. I'll use one of my friends for example. He has lifted weights only a handful of times and does not stretch at all. However, he weighs 155lbs, can bench press 250lbs and can put his leg behind his head. This is all natural ability. Like I said further down in my previous post, yes these things can be somewhat taught. But indeed some are more genetically predisposed than others.

Keep em coming :)

2mcgrath
08-01-2007, 03:17 AM
i also agree with most on your list,but other attributes i think are good is cardio,which can be learnt but some have way more cardio than others.aggressiveness is also good to have.which can be taught again but some people are naturally more agressive than others.

Punk Ass
08-01-2007, 03:28 AM
I disagree. Some people are naturally flexible, coordinated, strong, etc. I'll use one of my friends for example. He has lifted weights only a handful of times and does not stretch at all. However, he weighs 155lbs, can bench press 250lbs and can put his leg behind his head. This is all natural ability. Like I said further down in my previous post, yes these things can be somewhat taught. But indeed some are more genetically predisposed than others.

Keep em coming :)

I agree, but the reason I said Flexiblity can be taught is because if you stretch long enough, you will be flexible.

I have a cousin who weighed 135lb soak and wet, but could bench press 288. Sure that's just natural ability. Coordination is also a natural talent, but flexiblity can be natural but also can be learned. hand speed is definately something that can't be taught.

Gmunit
08-01-2007, 04:21 AM
Mark Hunts Chin - you can't teach a guy to take a punch

Kimuras"R"Us
08-01-2007, 04:44 AM
Mark Hunts Chin - you can't teach a guy to take a punch

I'd have to say this and Penn's flexibility. You can stretch and stretch and there's some people that just cannot improve this aspect at all. You can improve it but it's like Penn has no ligaments and is double jointed all over the place.

twankydawg
08-01-2007, 03:47 PM
I'd say Jessica Biels ass and Shakira's Hips.

EDIT: Oops, sorry, we're talking about fighters, my bad! :grinsmile26:

mauladala
08-01-2007, 06:23 PM
Fedor and Randy Couture's fight IQ. Extraordinarily intelligent in the ring/octagon (and out for that matter) which helps them win fights. You can have all the natural talent in the world, but blow it because you aren't using your head. Barnett could be considered up there as far as that's concerned too.

Edit: I say this is "natural" because you either have the capacity to be as intelligent in the ring as these three or you don't.

matto
08-01-2007, 07:30 PM
Everything you mentioned is not natural ability. Staying cool, Flexiblity, and accuracy certainly can be taught.

What can't be taught is Chuck Liddell's punching power, Rampage's freakish strength, Vitor Belfort's blazing hand speed.

Some things just can't be taught. Which is the reason why you only have one Floyd Mayweather, Fedor, Michael Jordan.

Fedor IMO is very naturally athletic. Maybe he didn't have good foot speed for soccer, or a good jump shot, but he sure as hell was made for fighting. He is very very quick and explosive. He's is relentless, he accually doesn't keep cool IMO; he doesn't give his opponents the chance to breath. He's a fucking animal.

BJ Penn has the freakish ability to learn very quickly. He became a black belt in BJJ in 2 years, and now is an extremely good striker. In fact, a better striker than most in his division. To me, he is probably the best P4P in the WW and LW, depending on health and cardio.

Rampage has some crazy retard strenth IMO. I seen many very built MMArtists but non that can slam the hell outta people like Rampage.

Cung Le! Dude is just amazing. Extremly fast and powerful. He's the total package IMO. But to be one of the best, you usually have to be.



flexability can come natural or be tought, bj probably a combination of both. he is very flexible but iv seen people more flexible. rampage's strenght? not everybody is born with rampage's strenght but there are people just as strong and stronger then page, but that cannot be tought? id be willing to bet that randallman is stronger and could do more impressive things then page and he can also make 205. did you see his slam on fedor? he is a better wrestler then page and is stronger, dont know if he would be smart enough to pick someone up when a triangle is applied but i can guarantee that he would do it just as good as page if not worse.

Punk Ass
08-01-2007, 10:58 PM
flexability can come natural or be tought, bj probably a combination of both. he is very flexible but iv seen people more flexible. rampage's strenght? not everybody is born with rampage's strenght but there are people just as strong and stronger then page, but that cannot be tought? id be willing to bet that randallman is stronger and could do more impressive things then page and he can also make 205. did you see his slam on fedor? he is a better wrestler then page and is stronger, dont know if he would be smart enough to pick someone up when a triangle is applied but i can guarantee that he would do it just as good as page if not worse. I would agree, but P4P I think Rampage is freakishly strong.

To just clean and jerk men over your head is no easy task.

ufobydeath
08-01-2007, 11:55 PM
Tito's head:confusedsmilie:


:lmfao:


I'd say Cro Cop's legs (I mean look at them! They're huge!) Fedor's and Couture's fight IQ, BJ's and Aoki's flexibility and Saku's improvs.

neonatural45
08-02-2007, 12:25 AM
hunts chin???

that should have been #1

Spain215
08-02-2007, 03:58 AM
randy coutures heart

matto
08-02-2007, 04:47 AM
I would agree, but P4P I think Rampage is freakishly strong.

To just clean and jerk men over your head is no easy task.

to suplex a the best fighter in the world who happens to be pudgy isnt that easy eaither. i dont see randallman doing that cause he isnt smart like page.
and yes tito's head is a natural attribute, too bad he is a horrible fighter.

binimac
08-02-2007, 05:13 AM
wanderlei's natural abiltiy is kneeing quinton in the face until he passes out.

matto
08-02-2007, 11:11 AM
wanderlei's natural abiltiy is kneeing quinton in the face until he passes out.

lol, its weird that page lost all 3 figts with wand and shogun from the thai chinch knees. he needs to train to defend and escape the thai clinch against great muy thai practicioners if he is going to win.