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NixHex
10-04-2007, 06:43 PM
Just posting this to get an idea of the structure in everyone's BJJ classes, and how they do things. My class starts with stretching, and working up a bit of a presweat with some BJJ based routines (shrimp, rolls, etc), then the teacher goes through showing us the technique(s) of the day in slow motion. We break down into partners of equal size (belt not considered) and practice the technique in slow motion, and proceeding to do it faster & more intense. Then we free roll for about an hour, hour & a half. To cool down we go through some basic positioning, and exchanging position at 50%. Just interested in seeing how other schools do things, and I know everybody likes talking about what they've been doing at class lol.

Noob
10-04-2007, 07:04 PM
My old school went more or less as follows:



10 minute warm-up: Jogging, pushups, situps, shrimps, shoulder rolls, squats, mountain climbers. A range of normal warm-ups exercises.


20-25 minute technique work: Start off with a basic technique to warm up for about 3-4 minutes. Then stick with a theme and introduce 2-3 moves for the beginners with another 1 or 2 variations on these moves for the advanced students. Time always given to practice each move at least 20 times.


25-30 minutes of free rolling: Just like it sounds. More or less 5 minutes rounds, usually at least 4 rounds depending.


Line up and bow out.




My new school (which I'm not adjusting to very well):





10 minute warm-up: Same stuff, some interesting exercises borrowed from Ginastica Natural and a few invented by Jiu-Jitsu practiioners specifically to warm up JJ-related muscles.



50-70 minutes of technique work: Pretty much a free-for-all. The instructor will show techniques that are more or less related, usually based on a theme. Shows a lot of very advanced guard techniques that honestly are over my head and don't do me much good. Gives time to practice each technique anywhere from 3-10 times, and shows about a dozen techniques in each class. Way too much information for me.


10-25 minutes free roll: Self-explanatory. 5 minute timed rounds.



This new school has been a hell of an adjustment, and quite frankly I don't think I like it as much. Which really sucks, because it's the only academy within 5 hours of where I'm living.

NixHex
10-04-2007, 07:17 PM
Yeah, the second school doesn't seem like it pays as much attention to detail as it should. I don't see how everyone could grasp the techniques only going through them about 10 times. Do they break up the belts & sizes when doing free roll?

Noob
10-04-2007, 07:35 PM
Yeah, the second school doesn't seem like it pays as much attention to detail as it should. I don't see how everyone could grasp the techniques only going through them about 10 times. Do they break up the belts & sizes when doing free roll?



I agree. It has been very frustrating so far.



And no, they don't break anyone up. The school only has maybe 20 people that show up semi-regularly, and about 8 that show up consistently. They've all been studying longer, and are all larger than I am. That sounds like it might be good, for me to get better, but it has been a huge pain in the ass. Foreign country, transition, learning the language, being a foreigner, and then on top of that I'm about as low on the totem pole as it gets at this gym.


There are some very good guys there. It's primarily a competition academy, and it's just a new style and it's kicking my ass honestly. Half the time when I show up for the early class it's just me and the instructor, who is a world-class BJJ competitor. He completely wipes the mat with me, and despite the idea that "you need to roll with people who are better than you to get better" I'm pretty confident I'm not getting any better. I think that idea only works to a certain degree.


I can play 1 on 1 with Michael Jordan all day long. If he so chooses, I will lose from now until eternity because of the skill gap. Not gonna learn too much doing that either. It's kind of how I feel about this place.



Lol, not that I'm intensely frustrated though.

NixHex
10-04-2007, 07:53 PM
Well kudos on the balls it takes to sign up for a class that seems suited for people doing it much longer than yourself & in a foreign country no less. Especially with the way everybody hates Americans these days lol. I've bounced between 2 different schools, but their routines were similar, and your going through a complete overhaul in your routine. The higher belts at my school roll with the beginners for the sole reason of bettering that beginner, not kicking his ass all over the mat lol. Have all black belts been so harsch at your other schools?

Noob
10-04-2007, 08:05 PM
Well kudos on the balls it takes to sign up for a class that seems suited for people doing it much longer than yourself & in a foreign country no less. Especially with the way everybody hates Americans these days lol. I've bounced between 2 different schools, but their routines were similar, and your going through a complete overhaul in your routine. The higher belts at my school roll with the beginners for the sole reason of bettering that beginner, not kicking his ass all over the mat lol. Have all black belts been so harsch at your other schools?



No, in fact I found it quite the opposite at my last school. There are always a few guys looking to assert themselves, but it was easy enough to steer clear of them.


There were a number of very good black belts and brown belts that were very good about rolling and teaching, as opposed to proving an unecessary point.


We'll see. All good things in time I suppose.

Palma
10-04-2007, 08:44 PM
I have different instructors for different nights of the week. They basically all have the same format, but their drilling and warm up exercises are a bit different.

On Tuesdays, we have our blackbelt who competes alot (I think he has taken the sivler at Mundials twice in row now).

We warm up for about 30 minutes. (This guy is also a crossfit personal trainer) so he really kicks our asses with the warm ups.

We work on more advanced techniques in his class, like transitioning from sub to sub to sub rather then focusing on one techinique at a time. We do this for another 30 minutes or so.

Then we spar for about another 30 minutes.

The class stays open for another 30 minutes if you want to work on techniques or spar. Alot of people usually do mock competitions.

On Thurdays, this is when the owner teaches class. He is very old school Brazillian and teaches very sound basics.

We warm up for about 15 to 20 minutes and and then have a cross of warm up and drills for another 15 to 20 minutes. Like getting out of someone's top mount accross the gym, and then doing a specific sweep accross the gym.

Then we work on two to four techniques for about 30 mintues.

Then we spar for 30 minutes.

Again the class stays open to work on whatever you want for another 30 mintues.

On saturdays, my neighbor teaches the nogi class at our San Jose gym. My neighbor is a blackbelt, but very very informal and way too lax.

I don't know what happens in the first 30 minutes, because I carpool with the teacher and we are always 30 minutes late.

I usually try and stretch and warm up, because we go straight into techniques when we get there.

This teacher usually has the most cutting edge and up to date techniques. He takes all kinds of private lessons from different specialists (like leg locks from Jake Sheilds, Rubberguard from Eddie Bravo, etc) We work on tehcniques for about 45 minutes.

We spar for about 30 mintues.

And I swear at the end of everyclass the teacher says they should make this class 30 minutes longer.

-I heard something funny the other day. I don't remember exactly when it was, but Frank Shamrock (his MMA gym is no too far away) I guess used to talk about how BJJ was crap and that it was over rated and all this stuff and pissed off all the BJJ gyms around here. Well, I guess when he started to train for his fight against Ceaser Gracie he started showing up at our San Jose gym, and some called the owner and he went down there and threw him out, lol.

methodjg
10-04-2007, 09:45 PM
10 minutes warmup - jumping jacks, stretching, sprawls

20 minutes - standup technique

30 minutes - ground technique

30-45 minutes - drilling/sparring

We usually always drill the ground moves we learned that day. Some days we'll have sparring with stand up. Basically two guys get in the middle and whoever throws the other to the ground and maintains control wins.

We only do free rolling when it comes close to competition time. It also depends on how many kids attend class that day.

Frasedog
10-04-2007, 10:53 PM
Last night's class went like this:

-warmup (lots of different movements to warm and loosen diff. muscle groups), stretching, tumbling.

-3, 3 minute rounds of punch mit work.

-teqniques for the day.

-open mat and sparring

Including the open mat time, class was 7-9:00.

The punch mit routine is based on a Bas Rutten CD. My instructor calls out commands for punches, 1,3,5 etc. When he says "2" you jab-cross, clinch and 2 knees. When he says "defense", you sprawl. It's a good work out. If you have the CD you could do it yourself or with a partner, punching at each other and covering up, or with mits.

NixHex
10-05-2007, 12:05 AM
I like seeing the different gym formats, keep em coming... I will also incorporate some of these in my personal sessions

Noob
10-05-2007, 12:41 AM
A few out-of-the-ordinary things my old instructor used to have us do that I really liked:



We would have some classes completely dedicated to one technique. Say, armbars for example. The 30 or so minutes of drilling would be completely to the armbar, and that's it. So you are going back and forth with a partner for 30 minutes and doing very high repetitions of this one move.


I heard a lot of people complain about it being boring, but personally it was one of my favorite things to do. Once you've done about 100-200 armbars in a row, the mechanics become noticably smoother. It is still one of my favorite class organizations.




A similar method would be during rolling to allow only one type of submission. So for example you would only be allowed to tap someone out with an ambar. Or only with triangles. Things get very interesting very quick when you and your opponent both know what submissions you are looking for. It really makes you step up your game and technique to be able to submit someone with a technique that they know is coming. Also very fun.



And one of the last things we would do, though it's not really a class format, would be to drill a move incessantly. For example, I was spending a fair amount of time working on my butterfly sweep w/ an overhook and transitioning that into an arm drag when I lose the overhook. My instructor challenged me to drill that one technique 3000 times over the course of a month.


That sounds like a ridiculous number, and it really is to some degree, lol. But that comes down to about 100 repetitions per day. By the end of the month I had that combination down so well that it is still something I can do without thinking about it. It was boring as sin, but I think one of the best things I've ever done for my game. The trick for me was to turn an hour of drilling into a hang-out session. Working with partners I know or like, and just kind of chatting during the session. Not always paying 100% attention to every detail, but instead letting muscle memory develop while I concentrate on something else.


If you can stand the repetition, I highly recommend that. I've heard of similar things from guys like Mike Fowler (very good grappler, ADCC vet) saying that their instructors would have them do 10,000 reps in 45 days.

blackfox
10-05-2007, 07:28 PM
No real structure of corse I'm jumping in the middle of a class thats been going on for some time now. So 90% of the time I don't know floor from cealing.
7:45-9:00 (or so)
Stretch
Talk over things
New technique taught
Practice
Free roll in rotation upon command
Sit in a circle
Two people get up
Stand in the center
Bang out for 3 minutes
Timer goes off
Clean up
Go home.

Ramma
10-06-2007, 05:18 PM
This new school has been a hell of an adjustment, and quite frankly I don't think I like it as much. Which really sucks, because it's the only academy within 5 hours of where I'm living.


A dozen techniques per class? That is just too much.

Maybe when you have been there a little longer, it will start being that 8 or 9 of those techniques is already in your library and adjusting will become easier.

BJJ Boy
10-25-2007, 04:00 PM
I just receantly switched clubs, so ill tell you what i did for both of them.

My first club we started out with a strech, then the teacher would show us 2-3 techniques, then we would try it on people then we would sparr.

My current club, we start out by doing massive cardio, we strech, then do cardio again! Then the instructor teaches us 1-2 techniques then we try it on some one then we sparr, then he will show us another 1-2 techniques and we sparr again, then he shows us another 1-2 techniques, then we sparr.

Noob
10-25-2007, 05:56 PM
A dozen techniques per class? That is just too much.

Maybe when you have been there a little longer, it will start being that 8 or 9 of those techniques is already in your library and adjusting will become easier.



It really is. I was intent to give it a chance, give it a few months. I figured the teacher is the teacher for a reason, maybe I can learn something from this if I just keep my mind open.




Nope.



It sucks after 3 months just as much as it sucked after 3 days. I can honestly say that I do not much like this school. Which is really kicking my ass, because it is the only school in the city I'm living in.


I haven't been in almost two weeks. I feel guilty as shit, but I really don't learn anything well enough to use it (because we don't drill it enough), and it's a 40 minute ride on my bike to get there. So I spend more than an hour on my bike to show up, drill 800 moves two times each, then go home. It's not much fun.


I miss my old school.

NixHex
10-25-2007, 10:08 PM
How long you gonna be over there Noob? Sucks to hear that you're not enjoying BJJ there. I'm actually gonna be opening a gym here within the next year or so, i've got teachers lined up already... i'm excited as hell.

Noob
10-25-2007, 10:38 PM
How long you gonna be over there Noob? Sucks to hear that you're not enjoying BJJ there. I'm actually gonna be opening a gym here within the next year or so, i've got teachers lined up already... i'm excited as hell.

I've got another 8-9 months. In a way I suppose it's good, in that I have some inflammation in both tendons in my shoulders and I'm sure they could use the time off.


But it really does suck. I can't stand not being in the gym, especially watching MMA and TUF without being able to get in and train.




That's cool that you're opening your own school though. Where you opening it at?

NixHex
10-26-2007, 05:59 AM
I've got another 8-9 months. In a way I suppose it's good, in that I have some inflammation in both tendons in my shoulders and I'm sure they could use the time off.


But it really does suck. I can't stand not being in the gym, especially watching MMA and TUF without being able to get in and train.




That's cool that you're opening your own school though. Where you opening it at?
Yeah you don't wanna wear your shit out, a little offtime to refuel will probably do ya real good.

I know what you mean, about a month ago my shoulder got tweaked pretty good so I missed almost 2 weeks, and it was torture seeing MMA/BJJ while I was out.

It'll be right on the Kentucky side of the Ohio River. I've got a few guys with 10+ years of BJJ experience ready to teach the class. It won't be anything world class but it'll definitely be a solid gym with good guys.

Noob
10-26-2007, 06:12 AM
Yeah you don't wanna wear your shit out, a little offtime to refuel will probably do ya real good.

I know what you mean, about a month ago my shoulder got tweaked pretty good so I missed almost 2 weeks, and it was torture seeing MMA/BJJ while I was out.

It'll be right on the Kentucky side of the Ohio River. I've got a few guys with 10+ years of BJJ experience ready to teach the class. It won't be anything world class but it'll definitely be a solid gym with good guys.



Yeah. There is definitely a difference between what I know to be good for my body, and what my mind wants.


That's really cool. Are you leasing a building, or space for the gym? You just putting some guys together to train, or are you actually looking to start a commercial gym?

Araevin
10-26-2007, 12:18 PM
We usually line up and do about 15 mins of warm up...shrimps, forward and backward rolls, push ups, crunches with legs raised(like your gaurd), stretch for about 10 mins then we learn 1-3 techniques depending on the difficulty...work the techniques for bout 45 mins with a partner..last 20 mins we roll. Noob i feel for ya bro, i love BJJ and im fortunate to get to attend a gym i love with great instructers....i would be miserable if if the only gym i could choose from sucked...

NixHex
10-26-2007, 03:28 PM
Yeah. There is definitely a difference between what I know to be good for my body, and what my mind wants.


That's really cool. Are you leasing a building, or space for the gym? You just putting some guys together to train, or are you actually looking to start a commercial gym?
Definitely, good that you can see the forrest through the trees (I think that fits here lol).

Yeah i've got a building in the process right now. I'm a massage therapist so the building is being bought as a salon & spa, but there's a whole back half of the building that i'll turn into a gym. It's gonna start off with just training, but I definitely want it to become a commercial gym.

Noob
10-26-2007, 10:25 PM
Definitely, good that you can see the forrest through the trees (I think that fits here lol).

Yeah i've got a building in the process right now. I'm a massage therapist so the building is being bought as a salon & spa, but there's a whole back half of the building that i'll turn into a gym. It's gonna start off with just training, but I definitely want it to become a commercial gym.


That sounds good. Best of luck with everything. Let me know if I can get you any videos or anything. Not much help for a new school, but any little bit helps.

NixHex
10-27-2007, 10:51 AM
That sounds good. Best of luck with everything. Let me know if I can get you any videos or anything. Not much help for a new school, but any little bit helps.
Definitely man, good lookin out. When you get back in the country you're more than welcomed to stop in if you're ever around.