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wee jimmy
10-25-2007, 12:41 AM
sorry for the ignorance, but i have heard about the move, but never seen it done, does anyone have an explanation of the move or a vid clip,cheers

Noob
10-25-2007, 12:51 AM
This is a slight variation on it. Gogoplata is a technique in which you move from an omoplata setup position, and turn it into a choke with your ankle/shin.

http://www.jiu-jitsu.net/interviews/bravo/eddie2.jpg





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Tick
10-25-2007, 12:55 AM
There are pictures someplace of brad imes doing it, along with video (which noob posted I think) of Nick Diaz and umm whats the other guys name... Akomi? doing it...

http://lockflow.com/article_view.php?id=1194

there is a link explaining it as well and how to do it.

*edit* didnt see Noobs post when I posted... must of started typing this before he showed it

Noob
10-25-2007, 12:58 AM
There are pictures someplace of brad imes doing it, along with video (which noob posted I think) of Nick Diaz and umm whats the other guys name... Akomi? doing it...

http://lockflow.com/article_view.php?id=1194

there is a link explaining it as well and how to do it.

*edit* didnt see Noobs post when I posted... must of started typing this before he showed it


Akomi. You should be ashamed of yourself. That's motherfuckin' Shinya Aoki.


http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/1139/1176028149cw3.jpg



Best guard in all of MMA. Betta recognize.

ufobydeath
10-25-2007, 01:04 AM
There are pictures someplace of brad imes doing it, along with video (which noob posted I think) of Nick Diaz and umm whats the other guys name... Akomi? doing it...


Shinya Aoki would be the name you're looking for ;)

More on topic though:

The gogo isn't something I'd always recommend going for as it requires some flexibility and also that you can pull off an omoplata very quickly. I use it mostly either as a suprise attack when I miss a double wristlock/kimura or to mess with the muay thai guys in shooto class ;). Still, it's a very risky move so if you're gonna use it then be quick about it!

Edit:
Akomi. You should be ashamed of yourself. That's motherfuckin' Shinya Aoki.



Best guard in all of MMA. Betta recognize.

Word man! Phear teh tights!

BJJ Boy
10-25-2007, 01:07 AM
In my opinion, its a very hard move to pull off, as soon as they put their chin down its hard to submit them cause allot of people can resist.

Also, posturing really helps to defend the move.

I think its only a good move if your sneaky with it.

Brandon
10-25-2007, 01:25 AM
Yeah, you definately have to be sneaky and set it up. Has anyone been succesful in pulling it off if their opponent turns his/her head to the side and your shin is on their jaw? I wonder if that would still work.

Tick, that vid in your quote is halirious!

ufobydeath
10-25-2007, 01:29 AM
Yeah, you definately have to be sneaky and set it up. Has anyone been succesful in pulling it off if their opponent turns his/her head to the side and your shin is on their jaw? I wonder if that would still work.

I've had it work once but it becomes more of a jawlock/facelock than a choke so it's not as effective... it hurts a hell of a lot more so if the guy's squeamish he may tap out but this works both ways; your shin is going to be sore as hell so I'd rather switch submission at that point.

kaiz77
10-25-2007, 01:48 AM
Its sort of a last resort move if you ask me.......def not a high percentage...

Ive pulled it off once during sparring......other than that......just a lot of wasted energy the other two to three times I've ever tried it........its hard to get any semi-experienced grappler to keep their neck hanging straight out for it to be effective.....

wee jimmy
10-25-2007, 02:01 AM
thanks guys, for the help on it, gonna give it a bash at the gym

Noob
10-25-2007, 02:02 AM
I catch this move all the time. Rarely from guard, but it's one of my first go-to moves from the mount. I have a pattern that I run through that goes from Gogoplata, Triangle, switch to Side Control, or Arm Triangle.


More often than not, most people defend the common submissions, but no one expects a Gogo from mount. I'd say I catch it more often than all but one other submission.

ufobydeath
10-25-2007, 02:32 AM
I catch this move all the time. Rarely from guard, but it's one of my first go-to moves from the mount. I have a pattern that I run through that goes from Gogoplata, Triangle, switch to Side Control, or Arm Triangle.


More often than not, most people defend the common submissions, but no one expects a Gogo from mount. I'd say I catch it more often than all but one other submission.

This is true, I always try to steer away from the common submissions and especially from mount. One I usually catch people with from mount and that I've had a very hign % with is the grapevine toehold

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kaiz77
10-25-2007, 06:04 AM
Gogo from mount....my God I've never thought about that........
but I could see that working pretty easily and being very effective....

Thank so much Noob!! Have to try it out... my goto is triangle from mount...works like a charm....

Kimuras"R"Us
10-25-2007, 06:23 AM
I catch this move all the time. Rarely from guard, but it's one of my first go-to moves from the mount. I have a pattern that I run through that goes from Gogoplata, Triangle, switch to Side Control, or Arm Triangle.


More often than not, most people defend the common submissions, but no one expects a Gogo from mount. I'd say I catch it more often than all but one other submission.

Hey Noob do you have any vids of a gogo from the mount? I could only find it from back mount....


Thanks.

Noob
10-25-2007, 06:36 AM
Gogo from mount....my God I've never thought about that........
but I could see that working pretty easily and being very effective....

Thank so much Noob!! Have to try it out... my goto is triangle from mount...works like a charm....


It's an awesome addition to the triangle from mount. Basically, with a triangle, you want to put your knee on their arm to trap it. But if they fight, and try to keep their arm from being pinned, they put it right into position to be trapped for the gogo.


It's a great 1-2 combo. I put those two together, and then add in transitions to side control and it works well for me.




Hey Noob do you have any vids of a gogo from the mount? I could only find it from back mount....


Thanks.


I can find some pictures if you like. But only if you explain to me how it's done from backmount. That just seems damned near impossible.

Noob
10-25-2007, 06:51 AM
Excuse the double-post. For requested pictures:



http://static.flickr.com/113/271039158_421472f379.jpg

In this picture, the important detail is that you have raised your knee behind their triceps. And in the other direction, you have pinned your elbow against your hip. Together, this serves to trap their arm in place.



http://static.flickr.com/96/271039190_f5086c9540.jpg


Alternate angle of the same idea. Basically, I think of it as the same body position as the setup for the classic armbar from mount. You come up on one foot, and the other knee. The only difference being that the arm you would normally have crossed, for the armbar, is now tucked against your hip instead.






http://static.flickr.com/91/271053597_ccc750b632.jpg


Self explanatory. Keep your balance (harder than you might think), and pass your foot in front of the face. I position my hips a little different than is shown here. This position does not require as much flexibility as from the guard/rubber guard.




http://static.flickr.com/117/271053620_374c3b57c2.jpg


Reach around behind your head, and grab your foot.

At this point, you can do one of two things:


1. A lot of times I like to roll onto my back, and while I'm rolling I throw my other leg (his right leg in the pic) over their shoulder. This way, if the gogo doesn't work, I have an immediate relase valve to the triangle. (This is a hell of a combination. It's not that it's so amazing of a technique, but it is really rare, and put together it is very hard to stop because no one drills defense to a gogoplata from mount, then to a gogo/triangle combo).


2. You can take your other foot (right foot in the pic) and put the ball of your right foot against the heel of your left foot. Then push. This puts a lot of added pressure on the choke. My personal preference is to start there, then roll to my back if that isn't working and go to #1.





http://static.flickr.com/110/271053651_619eba2946.jpg



And this is the normal finish. Lean to your left in this sense.













Okay. I held up my end of the bargain. Now I want to see how the hell you pull this off from backmount. That just sounds like crazy talk.

kaiz77
10-25-2007, 07:41 AM
beautiful.....thanks noob!

Noob
10-25-2007, 07:45 AM
beautiful.....thanks noob!



No problem. I use this move a lot, it's a good one. May or may not work for anyone else, but it compliments my little system well.

mauladala
10-25-2007, 10:14 AM
That mounted gogo is pretty fucking sweet. If you don't quite secure it when putting foot to throat after passing the tricep- even if you get swept the sub is still there. Brilliant.

ufobydeath
10-25-2007, 01:33 PM
Really slick gogo there Noob! It kind of reminds me of a facelock from S-mount that I've seen somewhere...

Yeah, here it is! http://www.lockflow.com/article_view.php?id=2902
It's pictures number 6, 7 and 8. This would be more of a pain hold though, unless you go balls out and break their jaw...

Tick
10-25-2007, 04:05 PM
Akomi. You should be ashamed of yourself. That's motherfuckin' Shinya Aoki.
Best guard in all of MMA. Betta recognize.

I am sorry! *kneels before noob* I will take my lashes for punishment now...

Noob
10-25-2007, 05:52 PM
That mounted gogo is pretty fucking sweet. If you don't quite secure it when putting foot to throat after passing the tricep- even if you get swept the sub is still there. Brilliant.

Exactly. And as you're rolling to your back, if you can swing your other leg over it gives you the triangle as well. A lot of times, if I can't get the gogo sunk immediately I roll over right into the triangle rather than try to force my foot under their chin.


It's an awkward move to try and defend.




I am sorry! *kneels before noob* I will take my lashes for punishment now...



Yes, yyeeeeessss. My plan is falling into place {slightly sinister laugh}.

wee jimmy
10-25-2007, 07:18 PM
this has been really good going through the moves from mount, the gym will be interesting tonight, thanks guys for the help

Kimuras"R"Us
10-26-2007, 01:57 AM
Thanks Noob for the pics, here's a vid of the back mount gogo, it's kind of ass backwards but here you go.


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Noob
10-26-2007, 02:16 AM
That was bizarre. It was like an inverted gogoplata, or reverse. Something. The foot was on the back of the neck instead of in the front.


Wow.



My first thought is that you could probably pull that from mount too. Or side control. I use the Salaverry position a ton, and I think this would transition right from there. And it would come out of nowhere.



Thanks.

Noob
10-26-2007, 02:18 AM
Here's another I found:



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I love stuff like that.

mauladala
10-26-2007, 05:19 AM
^^^^ Dude that's wild! It's like half gogo, half armbar. Give you some options should something go awry. Very cool.

On a side note: I just LOVE watching that Diaz gogo on Gomi. I don't care if Tak was gassed, he got caught, and it was sweeeeeeet.