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BJJ Boy
10-27-2007, 01:01 AM
Hey guys, i was wondering, is their any new submissions or techniques made?

The only recent one I heard of was the wicked triangle.

Edit: Variations are good to, like if you know a new arm bar shout it out.

Noob
10-27-2007, 01:15 AM
Very few techniques are truly new. A lot of them have new names and get more attention, but like the old phrase goes "there's nothing new under the sun."




The only technique I can think of that might be considered truly new would be the gogoplata, as supposedly invented by Nino Schembri. But that is at least 10 years old I believe. Even things like Eddie Bravo's twister have been around for years in catch wrestling.

BJJ Boy
10-27-2007, 01:27 AM
Very few techniques are truly new. A lot of them have new names and get more attention, but like the old phrase goes "there's nothing new under the sun."




The only technique I can think of that might be considered truly new would be the gogoplata, as supposedly invented by Nin Schembri. But that is at least 10 years old I believe. Even things like Eddie Bravo's twister have been around for years in catch wrestling.

Well, i mean their is new techniques, like i said, the wicked triangle.

Is the fist in the throat one new?

Noob
10-27-2007, 01:33 AM
Well, i mean their is new techniques, like i said, the wicked triangle.

Is the fist in the throat one new?

I understand. What I am saying is that there are next to no techniques that are truly new. No matter what name they have. Everyone has two arms, two legs, and one torso. There are only so many possibilities.


And I would be willing to bet that the 'wicked triangle' is not new. In fact, I would put money on it. There is no guarantee that someone somewhere hasn't used it before. Many moves are created by different people at different times, indepenent of each other.



Lol, and no, the fist in the throat one is not new.

BJJ Boy
10-27-2007, 01:39 AM
Oh, yea i see what your saying, i forgot to mention variations are good to.

ufobydeath
10-27-2007, 03:05 AM
Popular opinion usually says: Rare = New (see the Gogo or Twister). By this formula your best bet to find "new" submissions is to look up grappling arts that are less common such as catch wrestling.

The day someone finds out a way to do a Boston Crab in MMA I bet a lot of people will call it a new sub ;) Me and my buddies still just call it "The Ultimate Pwn" though

http://www.hollywoodsuccess.com/RockBostonCrab.jpg

unquiet
11-09-2007, 06:06 PM
New techniques nowadays are just "new" or "different" ways of doing something.

Invisible brabo

D'arce choke

Sniper Guillotine (might have a different name, but that's what I've heard. Marcelo hit it in adcc 2007)

Monoplata - Marcelo's submission

Octupus guard (I don't think it really warrants a new name, but it's from Eduardo Telles)

Von Flue Choke - (From the ufc, very cool choke Jason Von flue used from side control)

I'm sure there are "new" things that come up all the time, everywhere. The Japanese are like Jiu-jitsu scientists when it comes to different ways of doing things. As more people pick it up, more stuff will come up.

Noob
11-09-2007, 06:14 PM
I'm sure there are "new" things that come up all the time, everywhere. The Japanese are like Jiu-jitsu scientists when it comes to different ways of doing things. As more people pick it up, more stuff will come up.


Agreed. This is true with anything. The more minds working on something, the more ideas will come out.


As BJJ/MMA gets more popular, there are only going to be more and more brains thinking about it. It's natural that new things come about.


That being said, we all only have two arms and two legs. There can only be so many motions. A lot of 'new' techniques are really 'recycled' techniques with new names.

kaiz77
11-10-2007, 12:49 AM
Everybodys homework= create/find a new move/variation...film it..get pictures...whatever......

Slap em' up here...

Noob
11-10-2007, 01:12 AM
I am stealing these pictures from another forum, but I did come up with this technique independently.


A training partner and I were messing around before class, talking about the gogoplata and kind of poking fun at it. I had the absurd idea to try it from the mounted position.


It seemed retarded at the time, and though maybe technically valid it was just too strange to consider. And then one random day a few weeks or months after that, I was rolling with a new student and almost literally fell right into it. Messed around with the setup for it, and came to actually like it.


I came across someone else who had posted the idea just a few weeks ago, and was like "hey fucker, you stole my idea." Either way, he has pictures and I don't, so I will use them.





http://static.flickr.com/111/271053570_b264a5eb84.jpghttp://static.flickr.com/91/271053597_ccc750b632.jpghttp://static.flickr.com/117/271053620_374c3b57c2.jpg
http://static.flickr.com/110/271053651_619eba2946.jpg





My most successful entry for this is when I am working to pin their left arm to the mat. Either to get a triangle, or work toward the Scrima Side Control.


When they fight this, they usually try to keep their arm away from the mat, this puts you in perfect position for the first picture. Hugging the arm to your hip, instead of pinning it. Then the rest is self explanatory.


The beautiful part about this move is that you can do a gogoplata without having to be insanely flexible. You can be stiff as a cardboard box and still pull this off reasonably well.



I call it the "Noob-o-plata." (Not really).

unquiet
11-10-2007, 03:12 AM
There's a video of Eddie bravo doing that too. I think on his new dvd preview. That's also sort of the position for the monoplata. I'll add it to the list of things to try out.

NixHex
11-10-2007, 05:55 PM
There's a video of Eddie bravo doing that too. I think on his new dvd preview. That's also sort of the position for the monoplata. I'll add it to the list of things to try out.
Yeah I seen it on the Eddie Bravo instructional too. I think he's pushing the envelope more than anybody on techniques right now... some of the stuff I find risky in MMA or self defense situations. But I love watching anything from BJJ experts.

BJJ Boy
11-11-2007, 06:12 PM
I am stealing these pictures from another forum, but I did come up with this technique independently.


A training partner and I were messing around before class, talking about the gogoplata and kind of poking fun at it. I had the absurd idea to try it from the mounted position.


It seemed retarded at the time, and though maybe technically valid it was just too strange to consider. And then one random day a few weeks or months after that, I was rolling with a new student and almost literally fell right into it. Messed around with the setup for it, and came to actually like it.


I came across someone else who had posted the idea just a few weeks ago, and was like "hey fucker, you stole my idea." Either way, he has pictures and I don't, so I will use them.





http://static.flickr.com/111/271053570_b264a5eb84.jpghttp://static.flickr.com/91/271053597_ccc750b632.jpghttp://static.flickr.com/117/271053620_374c3b57c2.jpg
http://static.flickr.com/110/271053651_619eba2946.jpg





My most successful entry for this is when I am working to pin their left arm to the mat. Either to get a triangle, or work toward the Scrima Side Control.


When they fight this, they usually try to keep their arm away from the mat, this puts you in perfect position for the first picture. Hugging the arm to your hip, instead of pinning it. Then the rest is self explanatory.


The beautiful part about this move is that you can do a gogoplata without having to be insanely flexible. You can be stiff as a cardboard box and still pull this off reasonably well.



I call it the "Noob-o-plata." (Not really).





Thanks bro! I went to a huge tournament yesterday, i came first place, but this one guy almost tapped me, he was allot bigger then me and he had a cross collar choke on me and i was mount, then i put my foot on his neck like in the pictures and i tapped him out.

Noob
11-11-2007, 06:17 PM
Thanks bro! I went to a huge tournament yesterday, i came first place, but this one guy almost tapped me, he was allot bigger then me and he had a cross collar choke on me and i was mount, then i put my foot on his neck like in the pictures and i tapped him out.



Lol. The Noob-o-plata strikes again.

ozzy2525
11-11-2007, 06:28 PM
Thanks bro! I went to a huge tournament yesterday, i came first place, but this one guy almost tapped me, he was allot bigger then me and he had a cross collar choke on me and i was mount, then i put my foot on his neck like in the pictures and i tapped him out.
what was it called?
How many matches did you have? What time did it start?

BJJ Boy
11-11-2007, 10:02 PM
what was it called?
How many matches did you have? What time did it start?


Dont you hate it when people dont answer you?

DirtyDirtBiker
11-14-2007, 11:05 PM
I am stealing these pictures from another forum, but I did come up with this technique independently.


A training partner and I were messing around before class, talking about the gogoplata and kind of poking fun at it. I had the absurd idea to try it from the mounted position.


It seemed retarded at the time, and though maybe technically valid it was just too strange to consider. And then one random day a few weeks or months after that, I was rolling with a new student and almost literally fell right into it. Messed around with the setup for it, and came to actually like it.


I came across someone else who had posted the idea just a few weeks ago, and was like "hey fucker, you stole my idea." Either way, he has pictures and I don't, so I will use them.





http://static.flickr.com/111/271053570_b264a5eb84.jpghttp://static.flickr.com/91/271053597_ccc750b632.jpghttp://static.flickr.com/117/271053620_374c3b57c2.jpg
http://static.flickr.com/110/271053651_619eba2946.jpg





My most successful entry for this is when I am working to pin their left arm to the mat. Either to get a triangle, or work toward the Scrima Side Control.


When they fight this, they usually try to keep their arm away from the mat, this puts you in perfect position for the first picture. Hugging the arm to your hip, instead of pinning it. Then the rest is self explanatory.


The beautiful part about this move is that you can do a gogoplata without having to be insanely flexible. You can be stiff as a cardboard box and still pull this off reasonably well.



I call it the "Noob-o-plata." (Not really).




Yeah I actually tried this yesterday and its not too bad to set up, just getting it to work is another story.

I also like falling on my back and turning it into a gogo.

Palma
11-22-2007, 08:16 PM
Thanks bro! I went to a huge tournament yesterday, i came first place, but this one guy almost tapped me, he was allot bigger then me and he had a cross collar choke on me and i was mount, then i put my foot on his neck like in the pictures and i tapped him out.

You're so full of shit... You are the biggest poser here...

Noob
11-22-2007, 08:35 PM
I too am detecting the distinct aroma of exaggeration.

Palma
11-22-2007, 09:02 PM
I too am detecting the distinct aroma of exaggeration.

What tipped you off? Calling a Gogoplata "putting my foot on someon'e throat like in the pictures"... you would think someone who would win a "big tournament" would know what a Gogoplata is called... and you would think the "big tournament" would have a name like the "US Open"...

also who almost get's tapped by a cross colar choke when they have top mount. ALl you have to do is look up at the ceiling and break the grips, or get one hand inbetween the grips and put it behind your head.... It's not even a hard move to defend when someone has mount on you.

Also, you would think you wern't fighting opponents who are "allot bigger" then you since you are fighting in a sport with weight classes.

NixHex
11-25-2007, 06:14 PM
Good stuff lol

killerinstinct
05-24-2008, 12:23 AM
Pentagram choke
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pa99fighter
05-24-2008, 02:47 PM
I am stealing these pictures from another forum, but I did come up with this technique independently.


A training partner and I were messing around before class, talking about the gogoplata and kind of poking fun at it. I had the absurd idea to try it from the mounted position.


Yeah that has been around but its cool to know. I learned that now people are saying in a mma match now sometimes its ok to give your back to keep from getting pounded if your protecting from the choke.

killerinstinct
05-26-2008, 06:11 AM
Yeah that has been around but its cool to know. I learned that now people are saying in a mma match now sometimes its ok to give your back to keep from getting pounded if your protecting from the choke.
David "The Crow" has success doing this all the time.

brutejitsu
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