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Noob
11-09-2007, 07:01 AM
I already posted a fairly long description of the very beginning of this technique here:


http://forums.mmanews.com/showpost.php?p=336038&postcount=5




Here I will include a basic description of the technique, including entry, control, and submissions.









From side control:



(All descriptions are assuming you are on the left side of your opponent, in side control top position.)


In normal side control position, insert your right hand between your body and the left arm of your opponent. Snake through so that your forearm rests between his arm and your own body.


Now, using your body weight, force your opponent's arm to the floor with your forearm. From here, replace your right forearm with your right knee. Do this without letting pressure off of the arm. It is important that the arm remain pinned.


Now you should be here:



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Resume normal side control posture, controlling the far-side underhook with your left arm, and behind the head with your right arm.



Next, we are going to do a little foot shuffle. It looks goofy, and it feels very odd the first few times. The purpose is to put yourself in better position later on for submissions and to limit the escape options available to your opponent.





In three steps, it should look like this:




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From here, you should still have weight on your opponent's left arm. If that arm escapes then the whole position is worthless.

Your left arm is still controlling the underhook, and your right arm is still behind the head for further control.




Now, from here we are going to remove the right arm from behind the head. We are going to force the right forearm into the throat/neck of your opponent for a choke.


It is very unlikely that anyone will tap to this. If you get the tap, dandy. The real intention of this technique is to force your opponent to move.





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There are two basic options available to your opponent: Defend with their near-side arm (left), or defend with their far-side arm (right). We will go over both.




The most common defense is for your opponent to use their right arm to push you away. To do this, they bring their right hand in front of your head for a cross-face.


The counter to this is an Americana:



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Notice your left leg is still pinning their left arm. The position does not change, your base does not move. Only the arm position changes.


If the Americana is unsuccessful, you are still in position to control their upper body with your left underhook. This is the benefit of this position. If you do not get the submission, you are still in no danger of losing the position.





If your opponent defends with the near-side arm (left):





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As they bring their left hand up, presumably to push at your hips, you pull their wrist up with your right hand.


Take care in this position to still hold good base and continue controlling the left underhook.


Once their wrist is in your right hip (must be in the right hip. If it's in the left hip, this does not work), insert your left foot behind your right knee and form a figure-four lock. Just like for a triangle choke.






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Then sprawl.



That's it. It forms a bicep slicer, and it fucking hurts.







For your viewing pleasure, I have also included a video:




It is only about 2 minutes long, and has repeats of important parts in slow motion:






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This is the side control I use, and I have a lot of luck with it. It's not very common, and it is rare to find someone who expects it or has an effective defense to it.

NixHex
11-09-2007, 08:11 AM
Nice, I like it... i'm definitely adding that to my game. I love subs that don't leave you vulnerable to losing position.

How often do people have luck sweeping you from this position? It seems like there's a couple parts of the move that you have to bring your base a fair distance off the ground like when you're switching legs pinning their arm.

Noob
11-09-2007, 08:20 AM
Nice, I like it... i'm definitely adding that to my game. I love subs that don't leave you vulnerable to losing position.

How often do people have luck sweeping you from this position? It seems like there's a couple parts of the move that you have to bring your base a fair distance off the ground like when you're switching legs pinning their arm.


I am very rarely swept from this position. The most common spot that I lose position is when I am creating space to get my knee across their arm to pin it. A very explosive person can push up and into you while shrimping and will get out.


The solution to that (for me) is that I don't use that entry very often. More commonly, I start from mount. I will actually transition to mount, just for the purposes of transitioning back to side control. It's adds a few extra steps, but I find that it's still higher percentage for me.


So, from mount, I pin the left arm with my right arm, almost like you are going for an Americana. Then, replace your right arm with your right knee. Just like setup for triangle from mount.


But from here, instead of going to the triangle I get the underhook on the left side. Then I move my left foot across their body and transition straight into side control.


It's basically identical to how you would transition to mount from side control, but completely backwards.




Once I have this position locked though, I almost never lose it. The rare exception is someone much larger/stronger/more explosive than me. But aside from that, it's very rare.


It is also a good control position. You don't have to force the pace, you can relax and let the other person burn energy. It really is a great control position.








The part where you are crossing your feet seems like it would be a good time to sweep, but keep in mind that the person on bottom cannot see what your feet are doing. They have no sense of what your legs are doing other than that they are pinning their arm. So very often people do not buck regardless.


But even when they do, you will base out just like normal. It's a little weird-feeling, because your feet are crossed, but it still works. The more common problem is that you are not tight enough with pinning their arm, and they manage to get it loose. This happens from time to time.


But as far as being swept, in my experience it is quite rare. Not impossible, but rare. Especially as you get accustomed to the position and get a feel for the balance involved.




I can't stress the underhook enough. This is where I find most of my problems. It is really easy to get really focused on your legs and what they are doing, and completely lose track of the underhook.


You can do everything 100% right, and if you don't have that underhook pinned you will still lose this position.










Two extra submissions from here that work well for me:


N/S Choke

Brabo choke from a failed underhook.



If you do fail to keep the underhook pinned, or if you are just overpowerd, let them sit into you and get the underhook. Then just counter with a brabo choke. Works like a charm.

NixHex
11-09-2007, 08:43 AM
Good lookin out, i'm a work on this Sunday.

unquiet
11-09-2007, 10:48 AM
I'd like to see the video before I comment, but megavideo says it's down. I'm a visual learner.

Noob
11-09-2007, 10:52 AM
I'd like to see the video before I comment, but megavideo says it's down. I'm a visual learner.


I will reupload it, and set it to 'private.'


Take about 10 minutes.

unquiet
11-09-2007, 10:55 AM
I wonder if you have anything else to do lol.

Noob
11-09-2007, 11:02 AM
I wonder if you have anything else to do lol.


Lol. It's a hobby. I do videos and editing because it gives me something to do when I'm avoiding homework. I like MMA, and BJJ, so when I'm not training it's just a natural fit.


Lol, so don't get judgmental or you get nothing.

Noob
11-09-2007, 11:16 AM
Bump for updated video.

unquiet
11-09-2007, 02:51 PM
I remember Javier "Showtime" Vasquez teaching a technique like this. i don't remember if it was exactly the slicer/americana combination, but the hooking/trapping of the near arm is the same. It's good control, I like it. I'll give it a try in class.

Is that you teaching the technique?

kaiz77
11-09-2007, 05:12 PM
very cool...def have to try this out...I'll let you know how it goes......or hopefully Ill have video:grinsmile1:

BJJ Boy
11-09-2007, 10:10 PM
Right on! My favorite side control.

DirtyDirtBiker
11-14-2007, 04:07 PM
I actually did this one yestertday! It took me like 40 tries to actually get it during rolling, but it worked. Thought I was extremely careful when trying it, you can hurt someone really badly doing it.

Noob
11-15-2007, 09:39 AM
If anybody watched the episode of TUF last night, Serra was showing Johnnie the Scrima Side Control before the fight with Mac.


Thought that was cool.

NixHex
11-15-2007, 10:59 AM
If anybody watched the episode of TUF last night, Serra was showing Johnnie the Scrima Side Control before the fight with Mac.


Thought that was cool.
Yeah I seen that, good shit.

On a side note, Mac looked down right nasty last night. Whooped the shit out of Johnny everytime he tried to attack or even breathe for that matter.

Noob
11-15-2007, 11:34 AM
Yeah I seen that, good shit.

On a side note, Mac looked down right nasty last night. Whooped the shit out of Johnny everytime he tried to attack or even breathe for that matter.



Yeah, he was doing a great job of using that far-side arm hook to neutralize the takedown and control Johnny's posture. Reminded me of Sakuraba's oldschool kimura counter to a single leg. He was slick with it.

kaiz77
11-15-2007, 05:45 PM
Tried out the side control today......Amazing!!!....

very easy to get and maintain in my opinion.....I set up the americana a couple times....and an omoplata from it...
Love this position!! Thanks Noob....

I took videos too...so Ill slap them up hopefully tommor....:grinsmile1:

ufobydeath
11-15-2007, 06:20 PM
Wow... I know I'll be trying this tomorrow! Looks like it's a lot easier to control and gives you a lot of options (that slicer is just disgusting!)

Plus it looks like a bitch to sweep from that position!

kaiz77
11-15-2007, 09:16 PM
It is man...very easy to control.......def worth a try!