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Palma
11-20-2007, 10:22 PM
I used to wrestle like 13 years ago when I was in highschool and I have often gone back to my old highschools to coach and work out with the teams.

I have also worked out with both of my brother since then (both of whom were good wrestlers) and I have also sparred in submission wrestling here and there.

But since mid June I have been training BJJ at least twice a week, but on average about 3 times. The past month I have been training BJJ 3 nights a week and then training nogi on sat and sun.

I am so into it now that I must say MMA just isn't as interesting to me as it once was. I still love MMA, but watching people fight just ins't nearly as fun as actually training first hand.

It could also just be the last few lackluster UFC cards or the whole Randy/Fedor/UFC shit that has inundated us the past few months.

I don't know why I am sharing this, but there it is.

ufobydeath
11-20-2007, 10:36 PM
I can see what you mean; I haven't been watching nearly as much MMA as I used to recently, and I think it started when I started training hard again. I've been watching more grappling and going to more local events but the "big league" has become less interesting to me. It might be that there's been some lackluster UFC PPVs (plus I don't like all of the drama in the UFC) but in the end I find myself focusing more on my training. Maybe that's a good thing? Still, I'm without a doubt the biggest MMA nerd at my gym ;)

Palma
11-20-2007, 11:01 PM
I can see what you mean; I haven't been watching nearly as much MMA as I used to recently, and I think it started when I started training hard again. I've been watching more grappling and going to more local events but the "big league" has become less interesting to me. It might be that there's been some lackluster UFC PPVs (plus I don't like all of the drama in the UFC) but in the end I find myself focusing more on my training. Maybe that's a good thing? Still, I'm without a doubt the biggest MMA nerd at my gym ;)

Lol, me to and I am starting to fail them with the inside infor I use to dig for, but it's not as interestling to me anymore. Glad to here I am not the only one.

ufobydeath
11-20-2007, 11:11 PM
Hehe, I'm still the one who brings the big news there but usually only when someone bugs me for it, and I don't discuss PPVs as much as I used to (yesterday was an exeption when my training partner started complaining over UFC 78). But like I said... maybe this is a sign that we're focusing more on our training

kaiz77
11-20-2007, 11:30 PM
wow....do we all feel this way?....lol

I took interest to grappling after getting into the UFC and Pride......Now everyone under the sun claims to be in love with MMA...so maybe I just wanted to do something out of the spotlight so to speak....

There are so many leagues and so many tv stations jumping on the bandwagon....I think its only natural that its becoming less appealing...

ufobydeath
11-20-2007, 11:39 PM
wow....do we all feel this way?....lol

I took interest to grappling after getting into the UFC and Pride......Now everyone under the sun claims to be in love with MMA...so maybe I just wanted to do something out of the spotlight so to speak....

There are so many leagues and so many tv stations jumping on the bandwagon....I think its only natural that its becoming less appealing...

I don't really care about the whole mainstream media thing... I first watched UFC 1 with a couple of buddies who'd gotten hold of it on VHS back in the day (when I was training greco and judo) and I though it was kind of cool/kind of meh. Then when I was 16 and started training ju-jutsu a buddy showed me the Pride FC 2004 Final Conflict and I was hooked! After that I looked up every Pride event, and when HERO'S started I watched that too. All I remembered from the UFC was "Eh, two guys dominating all of the others" so I never checked it out until about 1 years ago. Back when I started watching Pride people were freaked out when I told them about it. Now more people know and it's just gotten legal here in Sweden so I'm a happy guy! Still, I don't enjoy the UFC as much (like I said, too much drama) and I'm finding it more exiting to watch the independant local orgs than the big leagues. So maybe it's not that I'm less into MMA but more that I'm into the local scene more. We'll see what happens with M-1 (from what I've understood it was the premier European org... not that that's saying much seeing how MMA is frowned upon in many european countries) but right now I'm just not that into it anymore.

The TUF noobs at my gym are making it tough on my patience though, I will say that...

NixHex
11-21-2007, 01:01 AM
Well I must say i'm on the total opposite side of this spectrum fellas. I've been watching UFC since Vitor Belfort became my hero beating up guys 70 lbs heavier than him w/ ease. Now that i've been training consistently for the past few months I find myself watching fights w/ a student's perspective more so than just a fan. I definitely watch how BJJ guys deal w/ strikers & wrestlers, and what works best... and what i've seen not so successful.

The drama going on w/ UFC has gotten old, but I pay it no mind. The Pride drama was old and I paid it no mind.

Now i'm able to anticipate seeing the best fight the best, and that's when the best are at their best lol.

kaiz77
11-21-2007, 07:19 AM
Now dont get me wrong.....I still like MMA.....and Im not the type of person to dislike it solely because something turns mainstream.......
I think you guys put it better......too much drama!!..

I still watch everything.....I just look at it through a grapplers viewpoint now......

Do you guys notice that a bunch of MMA guys just plain suck at jiu-jitsu??...even with my small experience in bjj...I feel like I sit there and am like....do this...thats wide open....dont ever do that, are yo retarded!!....lol....you know what I mean......It baffles me that people that devote their entire lives and training to MMA wouldnt have a better knowledge of the submission game....is this just ignorance...stupidity?

(and yes, I know its easier said then done when youre in the ring and punches are flying at your face....)

ufobydeath
11-21-2007, 02:34 PM
Now dont get me wrong.....I still like MMA.....and Im not the type of person to dislike it solely because something turns mainstream.......
I think you guys put it better......too much drama!!..

I still watch everything.....I just look at it through a grapplers viewpoint now......

Do you guys notice that a bunch of MMA guys just plain suck at jiu-jitsu??...even with my small experience in bjj...I feel like I sit there and am like....do this...thats wide open....dont ever do that, are yo retarded!!....lol....you know what I mean......It baffles me that people that devote their entire lives and training to MMA wouldnt have a better knowledge of the submission game....is this just ignorance...stupidity?

(and yes, I know its easier said then done when youre in the ring and punches are flying at your face....)

I know what you mean; I do the exact same thing. But a guy at my gym told me that he tried rolling with strikes added and it was almost impossible to get anything. As soon as you tried to posture up you ate a bunch of shots.
Also, some guys just don't translate very well to MMA and never really get into the fight. All of this aside though, I completely agree with you! A lot of these guys need to brush up on their grappling...

Brandon
11-22-2007, 03:17 AM
I'm definitely in the same boat. When I first started out all I was into was mma. Then recently I've started to transfer my obsession from mma to grappling with a gi. Whether it be judo or bjj, the gi game has most definitely taken the top spot from mma.

I think part of this is due to the unfortunate difference between people that train with a gi, and those who study mma. Hopefully further down the road mma will become as acceptable as traditional martial arts.

BJJ Boy
11-22-2007, 02:20 PM
Ouch, a few years of highschool wrestling and a couple months of bjj and your not to interested in mma? Pull your self together man! Watch some highlight clips, do anything! Dont forget about mma!!!

kaiz77
11-22-2007, 07:28 PM
I dont think I can ever get bored or sick with MMA, but recently I have been realizing that I am not as interested w/some of these UFC cards. Ever since the introduction of TUF it seems some of these UFC PPV events have become watered down with fights Im not really interested in.

Same here....can never get bored with it...just more grappling oriented...

Palma
11-22-2007, 08:08 PM
Ouch, a few years of highschool wrestling and a couple months of bjj and your not to interested in mma? Pull your self together man! Watch some highlight clips, do anything! Dont forget about mma!!!

I wrestled for 10 years you fucking poser... If you don't agree then don't agree, but don't pretend to know who I am. I've been watching this shit since the beginning and I am starting to lose interest after 10 years. What fuck is watching highlight vids going to do?


I dont think I can ever get bored or sick with MMA, but recently I have been realizing that I am not as interested w/some of these UFC cards. Ever since the introduction of TUF it seems some of these UFC PPV events have become watered down with fights Im not really interested in.

Agree 100%, but in addition to all the Fedor and Randy Drama I am starting to relize that MMA is more about making money and being celebrities then actually being the most effective combat sport or matial art (which it is), but I love the atmosphere of amature fighting, wheather it be wrestling , BJJ, sub-wrestling, kickboxing... something about people who fight dozens of times in day all in the name for self gratification and personal drive just is beccoming more apealing to me.

ufobydeath
11-22-2007, 08:33 PM
Agree 100%, but in addition to all the Fedor and Randy Drama I am starting to relize that MMA is more about making money being celebrities then actually being the most effective combat sport or matial art (which it is), but I love the atmosphere of amature fighting, wheather be wrestling , BJJ, sub-wrestling, kickboxing... something about people who fight dozens of times in day all in the name for self gratification and personal drive just is beccoming more apealing to me.

Yeah, I think you really nailed it there.

Palma
11-22-2007, 08:54 PM
Yeah, I think you really nailed it there.

Maybe we just need to watch more highlight vids incase we haven't turned the tv on the past two years.

ufobydeath
11-22-2007, 09:12 PM
Maybe we just need to watch more highlight vids incase we haven't turned the tv on the past two years.

Shit, you're right! Who's Wanderlei Silva anyway? I've completely forgotten inbetween TUF episodes...

Ubermensch
11-22-2007, 09:36 PM
When I was training in the mid 90's and early 2000's i never watched MMA. I was kind of ignorant I knew Judson and a few friends were on PPV's but no one liked the sport in my mind so it was not very important to watch. I just liked training and fighting it was always a rush. Sometimes I feel like I want to do it again but I am older now and that shit hurts...hahah like it didn't before but for some reason it seems to effect me more now. Still once in a blue moon I will roll with someone or bring out my twins gear and trade some blows

AJL416AZ
11-23-2007, 07:08 AM
i love training first hand, and i do feel that sometimes just if all i could ever do was watch and talk about fighting, it would suck a lot.

but you should just look at it as using your training as another tool to appreciate the game, the more you learn the more exciting it can be to watch MMA.
im trying hard to improve my standup game and nothing excites me more than watching Anderson, Wanderlei, or even Thiago Alves, just run a Muay Thai clinic on people, and i love watching a sick grappler, or a great wrestler, just completely blow the other guy out of the water in terms of that area of the game.

and the atmosphere? MMA is getting big and guys are almost celebrities. but as far back as 10-20 years ago for some of the older guys like Chuck and Randy, they were the unknown amateurs working their ass off at the gym, just like so many guys are now. not everyone will be a superstar like them, but thats the goal of fighting and competing is it not? to be the best?

as for the Randy shit, i am not even concerned. either way, i get to see Minotauro fight for the UFC title, and this just makes every HW fight that much more important. and if he makes it out of his contract, then we see Randy vs Fedor. yay

Palma
11-23-2007, 08:27 AM
i love training first hand, and i do feel that sometimes just if all i could ever do was watch and talk about fighting, it would suck a lot.

but you should just look at it as using your training as another tool to appreciate the game, the more you learn the more exciting it can be to watch MMA.
im trying hard to improve my standup game and nothing excites me more than watching Anderson, Wanderlei, or even Thiago Alves, just run a Muay Thai clinic on people, and i love watching a sick grappler, or a great wrestler, just completely blow the other guy out of the water in terms of that area of the game.

and the atmosphere? MMA is getting big and guys are almost celebrities. but as far back as 10-20 years ago for some of the older guys like Chuck and Randy, they were the unknown amateurs working their ass off at the gym, just like so many guys are now. not everyone will be a superstar like them, but thats the goal of fighting and competing is it not? to be the best?

as for the Randy shit, i am not even concerned. either way, i get to see Minotauro fight for the UFC title, and this just makes every HW fight that much more important. and if he makes it out of his contract, then we see Randy vs Fedor. yay

Don't get me wrong. It's not like I am not interested in MMA it's just that it isn't as interesting. Two years ago if I saw anything online or on tv about MMA I would have stoped what I was doing and watched it. The last few cards I could have cared less if I had seen or not. Now I know they were some of the worst cards ever, but two or three or especially eight or nine years ago I would have been more then happy to buy those PPV's.

Anyways, I can totally relate about appreciating fighting more in terms of understanding on deeper level what is actually happening. And there are certain fighters that I can't wait to watch fight, but all the rest I am just not as into as I used to be.

As far as Randy and Fedor, I am not talking about anything other then I really never cared about that match up to begin and I am just sick of hearing and reading about it. Too much drama.

Frasedog
11-23-2007, 09:15 PM
For me MMA is like the ultimate goal. Whether I ever compete in an MMA event or not, it motivates me to keep training. It was my motivation to start training bjj. Now, I get so into the bjj at times that I lose interest in training standup, but I never get tired of watching MMA. The drama sucks, (someone already said this) but watching MMA from a students perspective really changed how I see things, and really makes it more enjoyable.

Hang in there Palma. After being involved in something as long as you have, you're bound to get bored from time to time. Going to bjj class gets very monotonous for me. I'll get bored with the news on the forum sometimes and stop paying attention for a week. Maybe a break from it (MMA) is all you need to renew your interest.

Ramma
11-24-2007, 12:16 AM
That makes complete sense Palma.. doing martial arts yourself, if you love it, will almost always be more fun than watching it..

Come on.. which is better?

Banging a hot blonde? or watching a hot blonde get banged in a porno?


Case closed...

Palma
11-24-2007, 04:28 AM
For me MMA is like the ultimate goal. Whether I ever compete in an MMA event or not, it motivates me to keep training. It was my motivation to start training bjj. Now, I get so into the bjj at times that I lose interest in training standup, but I never get tired of watching MMA. The drama sucks, (someone already said this) but watching MMA from a students perspective really changed how I see things, and really makes it more enjoyable.

Hang in there Palma. After being involved in something as long as you have, you're bound to get bored from time to time. Going to bjj class gets very monotonous for me. I'll get bored with the news on the forum sometimes and stop paying attention for a week. Maybe a break from it (MMA) is all you need to renew your interest.

Thanks man, but lol, I didn't mean to give the impression I was bummed out about it or looking for advice on how to be more into it again. It's just something I realized recently and I just wanted to see if I was alone on the matter or it I was a weird duck like usual.