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jody
05-01-2010, 01:20 PM
So I just read another quote from Chuck Liddell where he touts two KO victories over Tito,and it once again got me thinking...Why does he consistently say he Ko'ed Tito twice,when both fights were clearly(IMO)TKO's.

When I think of a KO,I think of being knocked unconscious,just as the word OUT would suggest.What do you all think?



I did not check UFC.com to see if those fights are listed as KO or TKO,and I think maybe this is:valh:

YukonJordan
05-01-2010, 01:40 PM
Because it sounds better. He probably also didn't mention how his eye poke lead to his first victory over tito.

The old TKO is the new KO
The old KO is the new KTFO

Xanatos
05-01-2010, 03:20 PM
tkos are kos. They're both knock outs, one just happens to be technical. It's just the way people say it. I describe tko as ko all the time. "Did you see the Mir Carwin fight last night? Man Carwin knocked frank the fuck out!" In reality I Knew it was really a tko, but it's all the same when you're talking about it. In my mind I'd rather boast tkoing somebody, cause you can always catch somebody with a lucky punch, but to stand over them and wail them in the face while they cower in a fetal position is a lot more dominating and embarassing.

kickass32
05-01-2010, 04:20 PM
So I just read another quote from Chuck Liddell where he touts two KO victories over Tito,and it once again got me thinking...Why does he consistently say he Ko'ed Tito twice,when both fights were clearly(IMO)TKO's.

When I think of a KO,I think of being knocked unconscious,just as the word OUT would suggest.What do you all think?



I did not check UFC.com to see if those fights are listed as KO or TKO,and I think maybe this is:valh:

Sherdog has the first Tito/Chuck fight listed as a KO, while fight number 2 is listed as a TKO.
The UFC website gives both fights as TKO's

Ramma
05-01-2010, 07:49 PM
There are a ton of "KO"s that aren't actually KOs. Hell, there are TKOs that are KOs.

Ie - Damian Maia was TKO'd, he wasn't out cold. Maia got leveled. But he turned over and was moving. Not to say that he wasn't 3 seconds from being put out though. Jens Pulver wasn't KO'd by Gomi neither.

Keith Jardine was KO'd by Alexander. He was out cold. Listed as a TKO.

goodtimes
05-01-2010, 08:02 PM
It's basically what the ref feels like calling it isn't it? I think when a ref stops a fight because he feels a fighter is about to get KO'd and he wants to prevent the guy from taking any more damage, it's a TKO. Really hard to make that distinction, because some fights the guy is not out, he just doesn't make any moves to defend himself after getting dropped, like Maia/Marquardt or Koscheck/Thiago, or Mir/Lesnar 2, I think they were all ruled KO's even though the getting getting KO'd got up pretty fast and didn't seem to be out (Mir was definitely out of it though).

QOTSA420
05-01-2010, 08:36 PM
It really does not matter either way, once you can no longer continue in a fight you lose. TKOs and KOs are pretty much the same thing. I think having a criteria for the two is silly because the only things that should matter on your record is the W to L ratio.

carbondioxide830
05-01-2010, 11:34 PM
tko means if it would have continued, it would have lead to a ko so i kinda consider them the same thing.

Pasha K
05-02-2010, 07:35 AM
IMO they are 2 different things.

KO is when the opponents is unconcsiousm, for example Dan vs Bisping was a great example of a KO

TKO is when the opponent is not defending himself but he is not really out.

stpierrecanada
05-02-2010, 07:52 AM
tkos are kos. They're both knock outs, one just happens to be technical. It's just the way people say it. I describe tko as ko all the time. "Did you see the Mir Carwin fight last night? Man Carwin knocked frank the fuck out!" In reality I Knew it was really a tko, but it's all the same when you're talking about it. In my mind I'd rather boast tkoing somebody, cause you can always catch somebody with a lucky punch, but to stand over them and wail them in the face while they cower in a fetal position is a lot more dominating and embarassing.

Exactly. Great post.

roaddawg
05-02-2010, 09:42 AM
The truth is Tito has never been knocked out in his career and that likely will never happen. His head is just way too damn big for that.

kickass32
05-02-2010, 06:28 PM
The truth is Tito has never been knocked out in his career and that likely will never happen. His head is just way too damn big for that.

Lol..Yes his head is massive, but if Tito keeps trying to fool himself into thinking his stand up is improoving, and he ever takes a fight against a striker again...he might just get that giant head of his knocked off.

joeyP
05-02-2010, 06:40 PM
The truth is Tito has never been knocked out in his career and that likely will never happen. His head is just way too damn big for that.

Did you know that scientifically, the bigger the head, the easier it is to knock them out?