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Cat--Smasher
09-14-2011, 11:41 AM
Mods could you please fix the title?

MMA Top 10 Heavyweights: Daniel Cormier Shows He's for Real (http://www.mmafighting.com/2011/09/14/mma-top-10-heavyweights-daniel-cormier-shows-hes-for-real/)

Top 10 Heavyweights in MMA
(Editor's note: The individual fighter's ranking the last time we did heavyweights are in parentheses.)

1. Cain Velasquez (1): The champion will finally return to the Octagon against Junior dos Santos in November, after more than a year away. He says he's at full strength after shoulder surgery. He'll need to be against dos Santos, who's a better striker than anyone Velasquez has ever faced.

2. Junior dos Santos (2): In a sign of how big the dos Santos-Velasquez fight is going to be, Fox was advertising it during its Week 1 NFL games. That's the kind of promotion that will bring these two heavyweights -- and the UFC -- to a whole new audience.

3. Alistair Overeem (3): By signing to face Lesnar at the end of the year, Overeem has accepted the biggest challenge of his MMA career: Overeem has never faced anyone as physically strong as Lesnar, or anyone with Lesnar's wrestling pedigree. Overeem won't be able to throw Lesnar around or bully him in the clinch, the way he's been able to do against so many of his recent opponents.

4. Brock Lesnar (4): The big problem Lesnar had in his last two fights is that he didn't react well to getting hit in the face by Shane Carwin and Cain Velasquez. That could become an even bigger problem when he faces Overeem, who's an absolutely devastating striker.

5. Fabricio Werdum (5): Werdum is the best Brazilian jiu jitsu practitioner in the heavyweight division and a threat to submit anyone he faces, but at the moment it's hard to see where he goes: Fans aren't exactly clamoring to see him again after his lackluster performance in his June loss to Overeem, and the uncertain future of Strikeforce may have him waiting around for a while before he finds his next fight.

6. Daniel Cormier (NR): Cormier is an Olympic wrestler and maybe the best pure wrestler in all of MMA, but what's so impressive about Cormier is how far his striking has come. Cormier made a conscious effort to turn himself into a well-rounded mixed martial artist rather than simply a wrestler who plays to his strengths in the cage, and the results on display in his knockout win over Bigfoot were stunning. Cormier is now 9-0 and a real force in the heavyweight division.

7. Shane Carwin (7): Carwin is now on a two-fight losing streak, but there's no shame in losing to Lesnar and dos Santos. The bigger question facing Carwin is whether he's lost some of his devastating power. The 36-year-old, 255-pound Carwin who lost to dos Santos didnt' look nearly as powerful as the 35-year-old, 265-pound Carwin who knocked out Frank Mir.

8. Frank Mir (8): Mir should be favored to beat Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira again in their December rematch. If he does, he'll position himself to make another run at the UFC heavyweight title in 2012, although he'll have to get in line behind the Lesnar-Overeem winner.

9. Josh Barnett (10): Barnett is now on an eight-fight winning streak, and he hasn't lost since meeting Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira in Pride in 2006. He'll have his hands full in the Strikeforce Heavyweight Grand Prix final, however, as he won't be able to take down Daniel Cormier and control him on the ground, which was Barnett's path to victory over Brett Rogers and Sergei Kharitonov.

10. Antonio Silva (6): The way Cormier dropped like a sack of potatoes against Cormier raises some questions about his striking defense, but Silva is still a big talent who could potentially have some very interesting matchups against heavyweights in either Strikeforce or the UFC.

MMA Top 10 Heavyweights: Daniel Cormier Shows He's for Real (http://www.mmafighting.com/2011/09/14/mma-top-10-heavyweights-daniel-cormier-shows-hes-for-real/)

Cormier ranked 6th... jumping th gun here a bit I think. Ranked higher than Barnett and Mir? No way.

TBEAR
09-14-2011, 12:13 PM
6. Daniel Cormier

No way in hell he is number 6...that is just dumb, IMO

NLRepublic
09-14-2011, 12:16 PM
He's impressed me for sure, but I have a hard time seeding him ahead of Barnett and Mir.

Based on the list above, I think he would be justified at #8 or #9 ahead of Silva and maybe Carwin

Cat--Smasher
09-14-2011, 12:18 PM
No way in hell he is number 6...that is just dumb, IMO

Very dumb IMO too.

Cormier over Barnett and Mir? Cormier has beat Big Foot and Monson. Do we even have to get into who Barnett and Mir have beaten. I think they are putting to much into his win over Big Foot.. not making excuses cuz Big Foot gave props to Cormier but he did say he went into the fight injured and needing surgery.

Masscore
09-14-2011, 12:20 PM
6 is a little high but HW after number 5 is pretty much a crap shoot. I would rank him in the 8-10 range right now and if beats Barnett then he would be knocking on the door of the Top 5.

Xtremo
09-14-2011, 12:28 PM
Yea, I'd rank him where he is at, AFTER a hypothetical win over Barnett...

but right now, nop.

From the reading, it seems they are ranking Cormier above Barnett because, and I quote,
he won't be able to take down Daniel Cormier and control him on the ground, which was Barnett's path to victory over Brett Rogers and Sergei Kharitonov.

It seems the author is confident with that statement, but in reality, it's not going to be that easy for Cormier to defend against a strong and experienced veteran in "warmaster".

Anyways, those are my two cents.

Trodden
09-14-2011, 01:12 PM
This list would be fair...if the HW division had been around for the past 2 years. Or maybe its just a list of the top 10 who have a belt, or are less then 3 victories from a title shot.

Cat--Smasher
09-14-2011, 01:29 PM
This list would be fair...if the HW division had been around for the past 2 years. Or maybe its just a list of the top 10 who have a belt, or are less then 3 victories from a title shot.

You lost me with this post? "If the HW division had been around for the past 2 years"?

The list is mmafightings current HW top 10 list for all HW fighters.

Kimbo> Rampage
09-14-2011, 01:59 PM
ya he shouldnt be ahead of Barnett and Mir, yet.

Trodden
09-14-2011, 02:15 PM
rampage got what I meant. Most of them are right. but the thread is about Cormier, and thats why I put my comment

Trodden
09-14-2011, 02:35 PM
Cormier deserves some respect and note for what He's done, but the HW division has been going stronger and deeper then ever, and I believe you last 2-3 fights, at least, should dictate your ranking, not just your last.

If this was some new weight division, then it would make sense, but I think even Big Nog should be considered for this list. not just for life time achievement, but Nog is 3-2 is his last 5, all (save Schaub) were against former champions.

Cormier is undefeated, but hasn't fought fighters ranked as high as Nog. I'm not saying Nog should be there, but the case could be made that other fighters should be in that list. I could get behind Cormier in the top 15, or 20. I would like him to fight at least one more top 10 fighter first.

Leucoethiops
09-14-2011, 02:36 PM
10. Antonio Silva (6): The way Cormier dropped like a sack of potatoes against Cormier raises some questions about his striking defense,

Agreed, Cormier showed some real holes in his game when he dropped himself with his own brutal shots.

Sakara=Excitement
09-14-2011, 03:18 PM
#6?

Holy shit thats funny

Mac
09-14-2011, 05:00 PM
Well, MMA is a bandwagon sport so I guess the rankings are becoming that way as well.

TheDoucheyWun
09-14-2011, 06:24 PM
Wellllllll, Before Ko'n Nog Cain didn't have many legit opponents under his belt either. Almost everyone had bigfoot in their top 10 cormier just destroyed him and with his wrestling pedigree having him in top 10 or 8 doesnt suprise me 6 does. but heh fuck all u cormier haters he's got 2-3 less victories then cain n could prove to be just as deadly or more so.

fakkk I think cormier beats Cain go ahead hate away

K1NG P3NN
09-20-2011, 03:09 AM
Not a snowball's chance in hell that thats a good list.