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TheDoucheyWun
09-24-2011, 01:28 PM
Who would win an MMA match between theese two Samoan Sluggers? I dont think grappling will come into play in this fight and think it would be a slugfest from hell. Ima go with the boxer just because..I love tua!

TheDoucheyWun
09-25-2011, 04:53 PM
Think this one actually comes down to who has the better chin. Or most gas in tank.

Sakara=Excitement
09-25-2011, 05:14 PM
Hunt took Rothwell down a few times, factor in the nasty kicks of Hunt (wouldn't worry about the take down) and I think it's a very winnable MMA fight for Hunt. He's a K-1 striker with serious MMA experience.

beardown98
09-25-2011, 10:01 PM
If the fight stays standing Tua all the way a boxer with 4 oz gloves is scary as hell not to say Hunt is not an elite striker but to stay on the feet against a pro boxer with serious experience and heavy hands would not be good Hunt would kick the shit out of Tua's legs and body but one shot on the button by a former HW boxer with ko power is the end of any MMA heavyweight granite chin or not.

That said i don't see this fight staying on the feet Hunt takes Tua down and subs him

Sakara=Excitement
09-25-2011, 10:04 PM
I always find is weird that whenever a boxer is mentioned putting on the famed 4 oz. gloves, he becomes this unstoppable KO machine like a boss fight in the 9th level of a Mario game.

beardown98
09-25-2011, 10:16 PM
I always find is weird that whenever a boxer is mentioned putting on the famed 4 oz. gloves, he becomes this unstoppable KO machine like a boss fight in the 9th level of a Mario game.

No Double Dragons main boss at the end not a Mario boss.

Seriously though Tua has 20 KO's and 23 TKO's 43 finishes in 52 career wins that shows serious Knock out power with big gloves now put 4 OZ gloves on him and he will damage anyone horribly if they chose to trade hands. He was already a KO machine before the 4 oz gloves

and why would a MMA fighter play to the advantage of a boxer who's whole exsistence until his mma debut would of been training how to use his hands in ways to win at boxing

Punk Ass
09-25-2011, 11:58 PM
Hunt is not a good boxer by pro Boxing standards. He would get lit up by Tua standing who used to be a highly ranked top 10 fighter. In MMA, hunt would take him down and sub him rather easily.

Sakara=Excitement
09-26-2011, 12:04 AM
Hunt is not a good boxer by pro Boxing standards. He would get lit up by Tua standing who used to be a highly ranked top 10 fighter. In MMA, hunt would take him down and sub him rather easily.

And Tua isn't a good striker by K-1 standards OR a good MMA fighter by MMA standards.

Hunt was a top 10 ranked HW in MMA and won the K-1 Grand Prix. Dude can fucking strike.

beardown98
09-26-2011, 12:11 AM
And Tua isn't a good striker by K-1 standards OR a good MMA fighter by MMA standards.

Hunt was a top 10 ranked HW in MMA and won the K-1 Grand Prix. Dude can fucking strike.

Yes he can Strike with the best MMA and K-1 would have to offer (to be honest he'd probably get tooled in K-1 right now he has gotten a little sloppy) but why would he want to throw hands with a top notch boxer when he can win very easily by taking his opponent down and subbing him.

Hunt is a bad ass striker yes but there is a very good chance that if he stands with Tau and Tua can get inside and clip Hunt that Hunt would be in a world of trouble Tua has made a living getting inside and knocking people out at 5' 10" he's not exactly gonna be able to sit back and pick people apart at HW

Sakara=Excitement
09-26-2011, 12:19 AM
Yes he can Strike with the best MMA and K-1 would have to offer (to be honest he'd probably get tooled in K-1 right now he has gotten a little sloppy) but why would he want to throw hands with a top notch boxer when he can win very easily by taking his opponent down and subbing him.

Hunt is a bad ass striker yes but there is a very good chance that if he stands with Tau and Tua can get inside and clip Hunt that Hunt would be in a world of trouble Tua has made a living getting inside and knocking people out at 5' 10" he's not exactly gonna be able to sit back and pick people apart at HW

Hunt is also 5'10".

All I'm saying is, I get tired of hearing that boxers become automatic gods when punching another man, regardless of the other man's skill set. Like the boxer will automatically win. Hunt would kick his head off of his shoulders.

kalebarker
09-26-2011, 12:25 AM
If the fight stays standing Tua all the way a boxer with 4 oz gloves is scary as hell not to say Hunt is not an elite striker but to stay on the feet against a pro boxer with serious experience and heavy hands would not be good Hunt would kick the shit out of Tua's legs and body but one shot on the button by a former HW boxer with ko power is the end of any MMA heavyweight granite chin or not.

That said i don't see this fight staying on the feet Hunt takes Tua down and subs him

Hunt took a flush LHK from a prime Cro Cop and stayed standing. That is a lot more force than a punch from HW boxer.

beardown98
09-26-2011, 12:31 AM
Hunt is also 5'10".

All I'm saying is, I get tired of hearing that boxers become automatic gods when punching another man, regardless of the other man's skill set. Like the boxer will automatically win. Hunt would kick his head off of his shoulders.

When punching another man is all you train for most of your life i would think you would get pretty proficient at it. Hunt has trained kick boxing most of his life and could stand with anyone. I just think that it would be stupid to stand there with a guy that could knock you out with one punch and Tau is that guy no matter how you slice it he could knock any HW out. Hunt is an excellent striker and has ways of winning this fight on the feet mostly kicks low and high but the longer the fight would stay on the feet the more it would play into Tua's hand. Tua can only win this fight on the feet where as Hunt can win it many other ways so why stay on the feet?

beardown98
09-26-2011, 12:56 AM
Hunt took a flush LHK from a prime Cro Cop and stayed standing. That is a lot more force than a punch from HW boxer.

Just because someone took a flush shot and was still standing in one fight does not mean he can't be dropped by someone else's punch.

Boxers also have been measured at anywhere between 1000 lbs of force and 1800 lbs of force from a punch. more if you are Ivan Drago

Crocop supposedly was measured back in his k-1 days to have a lhk of 600kg of force or 1320 lbs of force in his kick so it is conceivable that a boxer could put more force behind a properly thrown punch.

Now the Crocop statement is far from anything but hersay but thought i would mention it for discusions sake

I would though agree with you i would think a CC LHK > boxers punch

Sakara=Excitement
09-26-2011, 12:59 AM
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Punk Ass
09-26-2011, 02:10 AM
And Tua isn't a good striker by K-1 standards OR a good MMA fighter by MMA standards.

Hunt was a top 10 ranked HW in MMA and won the K-1 Grand Prix. Dude can fucking strike.Hunt never really threw many head kicks(I've never seen him throw one successful one), and if his leg kicks dont stop Tua in his tracks, he's in a world of trouble.

Tua's hands alone is 10 times better than Hunt ever was as a kickboxer, or a Boxer, which he tried his hand at and lost to a can who now finished his career at 16 wins 20 loses. Hunt wasnt a good Boxer at all which is why he went to K1 which is a step down to be honest(talent wise and financially). Even his record in K1 is 30 and 13 as compared to Tua who is 54 and 4 and he's fought some of the best HWs in the world.

Simply put, the best of the best strikers in the world go to boxing because that's where the money is at. If a fighter cant make it in boxing, they go to MMA, Kickboxing, or retire. There are exceptions aswell, but not many.

Kimbo> Rampage
09-26-2011, 02:26 AM
I dont care how good prime Hunt's chin was, he wouldnt be able to take many Tua punches, especially that left hook. In an mma fight of course Hunt takes it. He was doing some ground work with rothwell and has really dedicated himself to mma. He has assembled a nice training camp for himself.

kalebarker
09-26-2011, 02:49 AM
Just because someone took a flush shot and was still standing in one fight does not mean he can't be dropped by someone else's punch.

Boxers also have been measured at anywhere between 1000 lbs of force and 1800 lbs of force from a punch. more if you are Ivan Drago

Crocop supposedly was measured back in his k-1 days to have a lhk of 600kg of force or 1320 lbs of force in his kick so it is conceivable that a boxer could put more force behind a properly thrown punch.

Now the Crocop statement is far from anything but hersay but thought i would mention it for discusions sake

I would though agree with you i would think a CC LHK > boxers punch

My point wasn't trying to say he couldn't be dropped if he did get hit. My point was counter "but one shot on the button by a former HW boxer with ko power is the end of any MMA heavyweight granite chin or not." I just think he has the ability take some a big shot from some HW power hitters and not be dropped. It is definitely not absolute one way or the other what would happen in that scenario.

Punk Ass
09-26-2011, 10:50 AM
A 185lb Melvin Manhoaf Knocked hunt out cold with the first punch he threw. I'm not too sold on his chin either at this point. David Tua on the other hand, has never been KO'd and he's fought some of the best HWs int he world.

It's not even up for debate where this fight needs to go in order for Hunt to win.

Goremire
09-27-2011, 04:45 AM
Tua got dropped in his second to last fight against Monty Barrett, so maybe his chin isn't what it used to be either.

I'd give Hunt the edge in an MMA fight as he could use leg kicks and takedowns. Tua has never conditioned his legs to deal with the sort of punishment that Hunt could deal out in a short space of time. Having said that, Tua's punching power (one of the all-time nastiest left hooks in the business and a right uppercut that wasnt far behind) and chin are both better.

cnlclink
09-27-2011, 12:21 PM
Hunt took a flush LHK from a prime Cro Cop and stayed standing. That is a lot more force than a punch from HW boxer.

Uh Hunt did get dropped from the first head kick CC threw at him in one of their fights. After that he wasn't dropped but the guy toppled like a well cut tree...

kickbox
01-16-2012, 01:00 AM
Hunt never really threw many head kicks(I've never seen him throw one successful one), and if his leg kicks dont stop Tua in his tracks, he's in a world of trouble.

Tua's hands alone is 10 times better than Hunt ever was as a kickboxer, or a Boxer, which he tried his hand at and lost to a can who now finished his career at 16 wins 20 loses. Hunt wasnt a good Boxer at all which is why he went to K1 which is a step down to be honest(talent wise and financially). Even his record in K1 is 30 and 13 as compared to Tua who is 54 and 4 and he's fought some of the best HWs in the world.

Simply put, the best of the best strikers in the world go to boxing because that's where the money is at. If a fighter cant make it in boxing, they go to MMA, Kickboxing, or retire. There are exceptions aswell, but not many.


Actually, kickboxers have been kickboxing their whole life, they have never used their hands purely. It is ridiculous to say that the best strikers go in to boxing, because a world class striker is someone who can utilize all his/her limbs in combat, not just use your fists and arms. There are those karatekas that are well disciplined, and love their sport and art, and go in to kickboxing for the love of the sport. There are those that can actually make money in competitive kickboxing, but opportunities are quite few in kickboxing than in boxing. Some people turn in to kickboxers because they lack the punching profficiency to make it in boxing, but do not lack the striking skills to use all his/her limbs. Some people are just horrible at using hands, but like Peter Aerts, can use their hands decently to set up an offensive combo with knees, low kicks or punches.

What you are implying is at least 30 percent true, there are those that tried their hands at boxing but failed and turned to kickboxing, and there are those who are originally kickboxers, that fail at boxing, and return to their sport, and those who succeed and make big bucks. There are also those who just find it difficult to transition, and just simply love their art form and do not bother leaving it. Regardless the best athletes are in soccer, since the talent pool is exponentially larger than the size of every other sport in the world :valh2:

Pasha K
01-16-2012, 01:23 AM
In a Boxing match Tua wins easily.

In a K-1 match I think Hunt would do damage with kicks and would end up taking the dec.

MMA match Hunt wins easily, he would just have to take Tua down.


Simply put, the best of the best strikers in the world go to boxing because that's where the money is at. If a fighter cant make it in boxing, they go to MMA, Kickboxing, or retire. There are exceptions aswell, but not many.

Have in consideration that striking involves kicks, knees and elbows, not only punches.

In a striking match, a Kickboxer beats a boxer most of the time.

Punk Ass
01-16-2012, 05:03 AM
In a Boxing match Tua wins easily.

In a K-1 match I think Hunt would do damage with kicks and would end up taking the dec.

MMA match Hunt wins easily, he would just have to take Tua down.



Have in consideration that striking involves kicks, knees and elbows, not only punches.

In a striking match, a Kickboxer beats a boxer most of the time.Only if that Boxer isnt trained to defend leg kicks, knees, etc. Nick and Nate Diaz proves that.

You get guys like Pacman, the Klits bros, or Mayweather to learn how to defend kicks and knees, and you have an unbeatable champion for a long time.

As I said before, the most athletic, talented, prospect strikers in the world go to Boxing because it's more popular and it's more money in the sport. Mayweather trained for K1, would look like Anderson Silva on crack.

Vitali Klits used to be a kickboxer before he started Boxing. Take a wild guess why he stopped kickboxing?

Punk Ass
02-26-2012, 11:41 AM
TTT

dbader08
02-26-2012, 09:57 PM
Only if that Boxer isnt trained to defend leg kicks, knees, etc. Nick and Nate Diaz proves that.

You get guys like Pacman, the Klits bros, or Mayweather to learn how to defend kicks and knees, and you have an unbeatable champion for a long time.

As I said before, the most athletic, talented, prospect strikers in the world go to Boxing because it's more popular and it's more money in the sport. Mayweather trained for K1, would look like Anderson Silva on crack.

Vitali Klits used to be a kickboxer before he started Boxing. Take a wild guess why he stopped kickboxing?

I don't agree with this. Kickboxing and boxing require such different skillsets and boxing is so one-dimensional. There is now way you could say "if boxer a was a kickboxer he would be the best" just because he is one of the best boxers. You have more to worry about when it comes to kickboxing. Having quick footwork isn't nearly as important in K-1. Floyd can be quicker on the feet than his opponent all day long, if they have better kicks from a distance, then it is going to be up to Floyd to work his way inside as opposed to his opponent...and that is not Floyd's game, Floyd's game is the counter punching. Powerful boxers that come forward would do better in K-1, due to the fact that it would limit the amount of kicks their opponent could throw. You can't compare boxing and kickboxing like they are brother sports, they are very, very different.

Kimbo> Rampage
03-08-2012, 03:03 AM
I dont know where this is going but as far as who hits harder it would has to be tua. Even hunts chin wouldnt be able to hold up to too many shots. Hunt has a habit of sticking to his hands, if he tried that againt tua he would get ktfo.

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You get guys like Pacman, the Klits bros, or Mayweather to learn how to defend kicks and knees, and you have an unbeatable champion for a long time.

As I said before, the most athletic, talented, prospect strikers in the world go to Boxing because it's more popular and it's more money in the sport. Mayweather trained for K1, would look like Anderson Silva on crack.

Vitali Klits used to be a kickboxer before he started Boxing. Take a wild guess why he stopped kickboxing?

agree. manny was also in muay thai. but im sure he doesnt regret going to boxing.