PDA

View Full Version : Miranda vs Pavlik - Matchup of the year



Afro
05-20-2007, 03:05 PM
Someone should upload this fight, it was CRAZY and ya I believe it has been the FIGHT of the year so far, its a damn shame it was an undercard fight to a JERMAIN TAYLOR fight cuz a lot more people coulda got to see a great match if it were an undercard to a fighter thats actually worth a damn.

I mean we all know this TWO FIGHT card was made to set up the future matchups at MW, hype up a Pavlik/Taylor fight.. cuz you know more people will watch Pavlik/Taylor if it happens after seeing the Miranda fight, it was a smart move but if it wasnt for the Pavlik/Miranda fight.. that would of been the biggest waste of time in boxing. Thank god for Miranda/Pavlik.

My Opinion:
Doubt Miranda all u want, he will be back! he is a Top MW in Boxing and I dont believe thats the best he can do in that fight, not an excuse.. just believe that he will learn from this loss and come back a lot better. I dont think Pavlik will beat him everytime.. I think Miranda has to learn to fight a lot smarter then that, has to learn to box, and he has to train better.. he punched himself out early, gassed too quickly, and did not come out fighting the right fight.. he should of had a lot more snap in his punches, he should of defended himself better by not backing up into the ropes so often, and he should of been able to punch a lot more, and a lot harder.. Pavlik.. the boxer that can punch.. didnt defend himself that well during the fight, when he should of.. and was taking some heavy shots from Miranda, and my personal belief is Miranda could of given him a helluva lot more.. but now we get to see what kind of heart Miranda has, we get to see how he rebounds from a bad loss, if he puts it all into his training.. he will come back a monster.. an absolute beast.

My prediction.. Miranda will fight Pavlik again, and he will take the belt Pavlik will win from Jermain Taylor. Who again proves he is the most overrated boxer in Boxing.

Salvy_Mic
05-20-2007, 03:40 PM
I think so far, it's definitely one of the early candidates for fight of the year, up there with Mike Katsaidis/Graham Earl (great, great fight) and Rafael Marquez/Israel Vasquez I (another great fight that I was on the edge of my seat for until it got stopped). This was a coming out party for Kelly Pavlik and he's a guy who can definitely fill seats. I would pay to watch him, the guy comes to fight and he handily disposed of one of the top middleweights in the world as a slight underdog.

I don't think Pavlik and Miranda will fight anytime soon, the fight was a little too one-sided to warrant a rematch in the near future, but they're both young with their whole careers ahead of them. Who knows, in 2 years, these two may fight to unify belts, but for now, Miranda has a lot of work to do to catch up to Pavlik.

I definitely look forward to Taylor/Pavlik, and I'll be pulling for Pavlik to get the win and the titles. At this point, I think the best thing for Taylor's career in the long term is to lose, and we may see the real Jermain Taylor stand up. Let's see how he reacts to a loss, and let's see if he mans up and fights the universally recognized #1 contender in Kelly Pavlik.

As for Miranda, I agree, he'll be back. I'd like to see him get another crack at Abraham, but he still needs work. Perhaps Miranda's people put him in against Felix Sturm, or gets him a fight with Javier Castillejo. And let's not forget about Winky Wright, the x-factor in this division. I think he'll be back at middleweight after his fight with Bernard Hopkins, and he perhaps poses the biggest threat to any of the other top middleweights. And for damn sure, I think Abraham's people would rather take a bigger money fight than a rematch with Miranda, and we all know Winky doesn't mind travelling, especially for a title shot.

There are no real potential superstars yet, but for sure, Pavlik has the best shot of getting there. He punches hard, he's a good boxer (needs to work on his defense, though), he's got a good chin, and he's more than willing to trade with power punchers. He's no Marvin Hagler, but he'll be good.

Punk Ass
05-20-2007, 04:18 PM
Well well well. Welcome back Afro enjoy your vacation? lol

Afro
05-20-2007, 04:22 PM
Well well well. Welcome back Afro enjoy your vacation? lol
Up until Miranda gettin mangled and embarrased, ya.. but ive never been so heated about a fight until last night

Punk Ass
05-20-2007, 04:30 PM
Up until Miranda gettin mangled and embarrased, ya.. but ive never been so heated about a fight until last night

Yeh, I really wanted Spinks to win though, so I didn't mind that bore fest. I think that was the only chance he had if he made it into a boring boxing match. It was entertaining for me to pray that Spinks didn't get hit every round, sitting at the edge of my seat.

I am impressive with spinks though. I don't think any JMW fighter can beat him.

Salvy_Mic
05-21-2007, 12:36 AM
I hope Don King matches Cory Spinks with Travis Simms in a unification bout, that seems pretty interesting to me. I'd also like to see Spinks take on Ouma; I'm curious to see how handles that sort of pressure. Maybe also a rematch with Karmazin.

Punk Ass
05-21-2007, 12:05 PM
I hope Don King matches Cory Spinks with Travis Simms in a unification bout, that seems pretty interesting to me. I'd also like to see Spinks take on Ouma; I'm curious to see how handles that sort of pressure. Maybe also a rematch with Karmazin.

I would love to see Spinks fight Ouma. I think that would be a easy fight for him, but one that would solidify him amongst the P4P best. I think Spinks is really good. Almost as good as Mayweather if only he had some power, focus, and a much better trainer.

Is it me, or is his trainer an idiot? He doesn't direct him, he just tells him the obvious. Spinks needs to fire his ass and get a reputable trainer.

Salvy_Mic
05-21-2007, 12:38 PM
By the way, check out my new avatar. Pretty sweet, right?

Yeah, at JMW, any combination of Cory Spinks, Roman Karmazin, Travis Simms, or Kassim Ouma is an intriguing fight in my opinion. Also, remember that post I had about a potential de la Hoya/Spinks fight, if Spinks looked good in his fight with Taylor? Well, I think that fight may be a possibility too, but only if Spinks starts unifying titles. Oscar can beat him, if he was able push the pace against Mayweather and land good shots on him, I think he'd be able to rough up Spinks a little easier. If he can find him, of course. And Spinks, naturally, would love to take on Oscar.

The last fight we need to see though, is Spinks/Mayweather. It's painful for me to even think about.

Punk Ass
05-21-2007, 05:53 PM
The last fight we need to see though, is Spinks/Mayweather. It's painful for me to even think about.

You got that right lol.

klev1
06-07-2007, 07:09 PM
It was a GREAT fight, but since it was kinda short, i don't know if it can be fight of the year (although it was a GREAT GREAT FIGHT).

Right now I have 2 candidates so far.

1) Graham Earl vs Michael Katsidis (youtube it...trust me)
2) Barrera vs. Marquez

Honorable mention Israel Vasquez vs. Rafael Marquez (another kind of short fight, 6 or 7 rounds i believe).

Salvy_Mic
06-07-2007, 07:34 PM
The real fight of the year may still be to come later on this year. The Hatton/Castillo fight should be great, that's coming up on June 20. Then there's the rematch with Marquez and Vasquez, hopefully that can go longer.
Marquez the elder is set for another fight in September, probably a rematch with Barrera, and then there's Pacquiao's fight in October against presumably either Edwin Valero or Humberto Soto. Either of those two matchups have FOTY potential.

Afro
06-07-2007, 07:44 PM
I hope he gets Valero, Humberto is fightin Mannys brother soon

Salvy_Mic
06-07-2007, 08:03 PM
That's what I've heard from some of the little links from maxboxing.com . If he fights Valero, it'll most likely be in Macau, as its a huge fight in Asia, and asides from that, Valero's not licensed to fight anywhere in the U.S. And Valero's talked shit about Manny too, called him "another cab driver" or something like that. If Pacquiao/Valero happens, I like Manny by TKO in the 10th. He's too fast, too skilled, and too tough for Valero, who nearly went life and death with Vicente Mosquera when her first won the title.

Salvy_Mic
06-07-2007, 08:13 PM
Plus, I forgot to add, a fight with Marquez after he beats Valero gets bigger and more money gets involved, as it becomes a title unification bout. Pacquiao's potential WBA title against Marquez' WBC title.

In the meantime, since Joan Guzman is gonna stay at 130 (his fight with Katsidis at 135 is shot), Golden Boy can try and get him to unify his WBO title with whoever is holding the IBF title. Right now, that is Mzonke Fana, who was last widely seen getting knocked the fuck out by Barrera in '05 in 2 rounds. If I was GBP, I'd set up an HBO card featuring Guzman and someone like Rocky Juarez, in seperate bouts. Have Guzman defend his title, and have Juarez challenge Fana for his title, setting up a title unifier.
If its Guzman/Juarez, I'd probably like Guzman, he's too fast and skilled for the plodding, but powerful, Juarez. The newly crowned IBF/WBO champion can then be set up for whoever is the WBA/WBC champion.

However, they could also try to set up Marquez with Guzman to unify the WBC and WBO titles on HBO, and Pacquiao, after he wins the WBA title, can unify with whoever is the IBF champion. Maybe Bob Arum has Humberto Soto go after the IBF strap. If Marquez beats Guzman, the we'd have a huge megafight to become the undisputed champion at 130 between Pacquiao and Marquez on PPV. If those kinds of stakes with that kind of money is on the table, I think it overrides any sort of animosity Top Rank and Golden Boy may have for one another and bring them together to do business.

klev1
06-08-2007, 01:35 PM
For Manny right now, the fight i'd like to see him take (besides the Marquez rematch) is Joan Guzman. Valero to me right now is all hype. Has he fought ANYBODY that's noteworthy? At least Guzman has shown he can take power shots when he fought a very very good fight against Jorge Barrios. A fight with Humberto Soto would be good too. The man i'd like to really see Manny fight (though i don't think it will happen) is Joel Casamayor...if Casamayor can get back down to 130.

Salvy_Mic
06-08-2007, 06:46 PM
Well, since this was originally a thread about the Pavlik/Miranda brawl, I just read in Rafael's Notebook on espn.com that Bob Arum and Lou DiBela are close to signing off on a Taylor/Pavlik title bout come late September, on regular HBO. If this happens, Taylor gets some of his respect back from me, and deserves some props for taking on the dangerous Pavlik. Still, I hold to what I said before, Pavlik wins this fight by late knockout, at this point, I think Pavlik is simply the hungrier, stronger fighter.

I agree with klev, I also think that a fight with Guzman is probably a lot more difficult for Pacquiao than a fight with Valero. Guzman is definitely skilled and unlike anyone else at 130, he probably comes closest to matching Pacquiao's speed, if he doesn't already match it out right. He also showed me he has heart, I saw him keep fighting on against Juaregui last year with a broken hand. So basically, Pacquiao/Guzman comes down to Pacquiao's speed and power against Guzman's speed and skill....should be a good fight, it'll probably come down to who's more aggressive and willing to take chances to win, which has pretty much been Pacquiao's MO.

I just don't see Valero standing much of a chance against any of the other elite at 130. Pacquiao destroys him, too much speed, the power is relatively even (Valero probably punches a bit harder), and Pacquiao looks to have the better chin. Plus, for once Pacquiao would be the more skilled boxer in the ring. Marquez, Barrera, and Guzman would thoroughly outbox Valero, and Soto looks to be tougher and rougher and hungrier.

klev1
06-08-2007, 07:10 PM
Well, since this was originally a thread about the Pavlik/Miranda brawl, I just read in Rafael's Notebook on espn.com that Bob Arum and Lou DiBela are close to signing off on a Taylor/Pavlik title bout come late September, on regular HBO. If this happens, Taylor gets some of his respect back from me, and deserves some props for taking on the dangerous Pavlik. Still, I hold to what I said before, Pavlik wins this fight by late knockout, at this point, I think Pavlik is simply the hungrier, stronger fighter.

I agree with klev, I also think that a fight with Guzman is probably a lot more difficult for Pacquiao than a fight with Valero. Guzman is definitely skilled and unlike anyone else at 130, he probably comes closest to matching Pacquiao's speed, if he doesn't already match it out right. He also showed me he has heart, I saw him keep fighting on against Juaregui last year with a broken hand. So basically, Pacquiao/Guzman comes down to Pacquiao's speed and power against Guzman's speed and skill....should be a good fight, it'll probably come down to who's more aggressive and willing to take chances to win, which has pretty much been Pacquiao's MO.

I just don't see Valero standing much of a chance against any of the other elite at 130. Pacquiao destroys him, too much speed, the power is relatively even (Valero probably punches a bit harder), and Pacquiao looks to have the better chin. Plus, for once Pacquiao would be the more skilled boxer in the ring. Marquez, Barrera, and Guzman would thoroughly outbox Valero, and Soto looks to be tougher and rougher and hungrier.

The Taylor/Pavlik fight is a go!!! And to top it off IT'S ON REGULAR HBO!!! No PPV!!! can't wait!!!!

RedsquareBlackbox
06-17-2007, 03:06 AM
No. Miranda was wiped out.