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Compare the size differences of Jack Dempsey and some of the BIG Men he FLATTENED.

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Originally Posted by bradlee180

Compare the size differences of Jack Dempsey and some of the BIG Men he FLATTENED.

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JMO, but I think the big men of that time were not as good as the ones now. I just can't see him KOing someone like a prime Tyson. Tyson had just as much head movement, speed, and power, if not more, and that a very big understatement.

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To me, I think a Dempsey/Tyson wouldn't be so much about skills as it will be about will and attitude. Part of Tyson's edge against most of his opponents was that he was an intimidator, a bully who put the fear of God into guys. You take that away from him and he's beatable, as Buster Douglas and Evander Holyfield showed. Would Tyson be able to bully Dempsey, the original heavyweight bully? Or would Dempsey psych out Tyson first? Tyson is most likely the more athletic and the skills revolving around their respective natural gifts are about even. Dempsey probably punched harder than Tyson, but Tyson was definitely faster. So it would come down to who was stronger mentally.

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Originally Posted by harlemhustla145

JMO, but I think the big men of that time were not as good as the ones now. I just can't see him KOing someone like a prime Tyson. Tyson had just as much head movement, speed, and power, if not more, and that a very big understatement.

What are you talking about, harlem?:
I didn't post this thread in the "Dream Matches" forum.
This thread is about a "GIANT-KILLER", and you're off-topic talking about a 5'11", 215 lb Tyson, hardly a "GIANT." I'm simply posting a picture of a "GIANT-KILLER" as a picture illustrates the size-disparity far more descriptively than words can...and that this guy FLATTENED these BIG MEN, some of whom outweighed him 24 lbs, 65 lbs even as with Willard...and about a half-foot taller! 18 seconds is all it took in 1 case.

Part of the appeal of Dempsey is that he could knock down far bigger, stronger, heavier men. I think most guys wish they had that kind of ability, but there's only a few guys that can actually do it. How a man handles fear is part of the difference. Dempsey said he was scared in all his fights, but it didn't stop him from doing his job as a professional. Could you imagine yourself swinging at a 7'2", 250 lb GIANT, taking him out in about a minute-and-a-half with a shattered jaw? Or would you more likely think in that situation that anything you do will be futile? Would you run like HELL?! These are the tough questions that we must ask ourselves. Most of us do not like the answers. Take 180 lb Royce Gracie for example; he wouldn't hesitate to fight a GIANT, and he'd believe he'd win it too.

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Originally Posted by bradlee180

What are you talking about, harlem?:
I didn't post this thread in the "Dream Matches" forum.
This thread is about a "GIANT-KILLER", and you're off-topic talking about a 5'11", 215 lb Tyson, hardly a "GIANT." I'm simply posting a picture of a "GIANT-KILLER" as a picture illustrates the size-disparity far more descriptively than words can...and that this guy FLATTENED these BIG MEN, some of whom outweighed him 24 lbs, 65 lbs even as with Willard...and about a half-foot taller! 18 seconds is all it took in 1 case.

Part of the appeal of Dempsey is that he could knock down far bigger, stronger, heavier men. I think most guys wish they had that kind of ability, but there's only a few guys that can actually do it. How a man handles fear is part of the difference. Dempsey said he was scared in all his fights, but it didn't stop him from doing his job as a professional. Could you imagine yourself swinging at a 7'2", 250 lb GIANT, taking him out in about a minute-and-a-half with a shattered jaw? Or would you more likely think in that situation that anything you do will be futile? Would you run like HELL?! These are the tough questions that we must ask ourselves. Most of us do not like the answers. Take 180 lb Royce Gracie for example; he wouldn't hesitate to fight a GIANT, and he'd believe he'd win it too.

Aside from all that, I just don't think those big guys were that good at the time. Roy Jones beat a HW champion, for what it's worth even though he didn't have much power.

To be honest, I wasn't born at the time, and really don't know how good those guys were. I'm just giving a ignorant opinion because I believe boxing has evolved and fighters have gotten a lot better since that time.

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Originally Posted by harlemhustla145

Aside from all that, I just don't think those big guys were that good at the time. Roy Jones beat a HW champion, for what it's worth even though he didn't have much power.

To be honest, I wasn't born at the time, and really don't know how good those guys were. I'm just giving a ignorant opinion because I believe boxing has evolved and fighters have gotten a lot better since that time.

Harlem, you've made over 3000 posts, but it's clear to me and to any knowledgeable boxing fan that you know very little about boxing, yet , inexplicably, you always have lots of nonsense to say about it. Your above post is perfect evidence, and your own words say it best, "ignorant opinion."

"Roy Jones beat a HW champion" Rubbish. One could call John Ruiz a holder of one of the meaningless title-belts, but certainly NOT the Heavyweight Champion. You say you don't think these old-time guys were any good, yet you've done no research nor investigation, and you can't be bothered to do so, can you? No facts at all, just uninformed opinion. Your knowledge of boxing history doesn't go back not even 15 years, yet you have all these opinions.

Boxing has NOT evolved, Boxing has regressed, and it's heyday was long ago. It's unfortunate that you as a young guy (19 to 21 probably) has grown up in the embers that is modern boxing. There's still a few guys that can really fight and that could have competed with the greats of yesteryear, hell, even compete with the best of 15 or 20 years ago...but there's not many.

The point is desist with the over-abundance of impulsive, non-researched, non-logical posts because you're only making yourself look ignorant to real boxing fans. One has to back up their premise with facts.

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Originally Posted by bradlee180

Harlem, you've made over 3000 posts, but it's clear to me and to any knowledgeable boxing fan that you know very little about boxing, yet , inexplicably, you always have lots of nonsense to say about it. Your above post is perfect evidence, and your own words say it best, "ignorant opinion."

"Roy Jones beat a HW champion" Rubbish. One could call John Ruiz a holder of one of the meaningless title-belts, but certainly NOT the Heavyweight Champion. You say you don't think these old-time guys were any good, yet you've done no research nor investigation, and you can't be bothered to do so, can you? No facts at all, just uninformed opinion. Your knowledge of boxing history doesn't go back not even 15 years, yet you have all these opinions.

Boxing has NOT evolved, Boxing has regressed, and it's heyday was long ago. It's unfortunate that you as a young guy (19 to 21 probably) has grown up in the embers that is modern boxing. There's still a few guys that can really fight and that could have competed with the greats of yesteryear, hell, even compete with the best of 15 or 20 years ago...but there's not many.

The point is desist with the over-abundance of impulsive, non-researched, non-logical posts because you're only making yourself look ignorant to real boxing fans. One has to back up their premise with facts.

Lol, accually I'm a very real boxing fan, and accually, it's really a toss up between whether I like MMA or Boxing better.

I'm sorry I am not as heavily versed as you on Boxing in the early 1900s

The tapes at that time were also really poor quality, and as far as I'm concerned if someone weren't born at that time, they couldn't possibly know how good a figther was compared to todays fighters overall, not just in the HW division.

I have been watching Boxing since the mid 80s and have seen many videos of classic Boxers. I've seen tape ranging from Mahammed Ali, to Joe Luis, an old SR Robinson, young George Forman, Archie Moor, Floyd Patterson, Young Roberto Duran, and more. I've witnessed Boxers suck as SR Lenard, Tommy Hearns, Marvin Hagler, 80s Mike Tyson, and a young RJJ, James Toney, JC Chavez, Meldrick Taylor, Pernell Whitaker, and more. Personally, I think I'm well versed in the sport but of course if I am ignorant on a particular time period I will admit it.

No doubt Dempsey was one of the greatest, but IMO, I think there was a lack of competition at the time. The Marquis of Queensberry rules were fairly new, and technique was still being developed. Just like when Basketball first started there weren't as many moves, and tricks of the trade. Dempsey was an inovator, but I don't think it's a strech to say he wasn't the best at his craft, or style of fighting. In fact I hear Tysons style is a replica of Dempsey's down to the shoes and trunks, but IMO, a young Tyson was more athletically and probably more technically gifted, due to the fact that he had such knowlegable trainers.

BTW, I'm 29

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More ignorance spewing forth. Also the kid-gloves are off. From your nonsensical boxing posts, I naturally assumed you were only a young guy thus uninformed, but 29! I'm staggered by the levels of your ignorance.
"knowledgeable trainers." Old-time trainers were better than modern ones as the top old-time trainers were also top level fighters like Jack Blackburn. What did feather-fisted Kevin Rooney ever accomplish as a fighter...or Teddy Atlas? Aaron Snowell? Another modern trainer is Lou Duva. Was old Lou Duva rollin' heads in his younger days?

A picture is worth a thousand words. Dempsey/Tyson is by NO MEANS the MISMATCH some ignorant folks think it to be:

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Originally Posted by bradlee180

More ignorance spewing forth. Also the kid-gloves are off. From your nonsensical boxing posts, I naturally assumed you were only a young guy thus uninformed, but 29! I'm staggered by the levels of your ignorance.
"knowledgeable trainers." Old-time trainers were better than modern ones as the top old-time trainers were also top level fighters like Jack Blackburn. What did feather-fisted Kevin Rooney ever accomplish as a fighter...or Teddy Atlas? Aaron Snowell? Another modern trainer is Lou Duva. Was old Lou Duva rollin' heads in his younger days?

A picture is worth a thousand words. Dempsey/Tyson is by NO MEANS the MISMATCH some ignorant folks think it to be:

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Well I think my posts make a lot of sense, and I challenge anyone else on this forum to be as knowlegable as you say you are about early 1900s boxers.

But to tell me I know nothing about boxing is rediculous, after all, "who's better than who" is a matter of opinion anyway.

BTW, how old are you 60?

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whats with the automatic calling of ignorance so you's dont agree you think early 1900's was boxing at its best I agree and believe it's better later on I'd like to see how dempsey would fair against the greats of all time