Is Boxing really in bad shape right now? - Page 3

Luis Cruz · 06-01-2006, 09:26 PM

yea roy definately didn't knock him out he took a unanimous decision. lol

as for winky, he may have fought more but when he has fought names he wasn't all that successful until PAST HIS PRIME mosely and tito. his first real test was vasquez way back when in which he lost a majority decision or some shit. i never considered mckart an upper echelon real championship caliber f an opponent and he faced him a few times. and of course his loss to vargas. that's about it. he really struggled and could've dropped a decision to soliman in his last fight. taylor 3 years in got put in with marquez who was past his prime but a very decent fighter in his time and taylor didn't just beat him he destroyed him. then he beat joppy worse than anyone ever beat him. killed danny and then of course his two big wins over hopkins in which i thought he won both, even more clear the 2nd time. watch and see the exposure of winky wright on june 17th. how ring has him p4p #2 this month is some crackhead shit. he might not even be top 10 in my book.

Kass101 · 06-01-2006, 11:43 PM

i do agree that winky is overrated hes looked good when ive seen him fight but i think taylor just has more tools. hopkins is a better defensive fighter then winky and much more crafty and taylor took him to school especially in their second fight. and this is from a hopkins fan. also if im not mistaken isnt mosley really a division down from were he fought winky?

Afro · 06-02-2006, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Boone

"See I like Hopkins but I still remember the Roy Jones fight when JR knocked him out with one arm broken.."

Huh? Roy Jones knocked out Hopkins when they fought? I thought he won a decision?

my mistake, I thought he KO'd him.

Matt Boone · 06-02-2006, 01:34 PM

Mosley originally is many divisions down from Wright's. From what I know, Wright hasn't been one of the guys like Sugar Ray, DLH, Mosley, Mayweather, etc. who start off way down in the lower weight classes and year by year move up another one and another one and another one. Mosley was. He started off as what, a Lightweight? He fought Winky at Middleweight or Super Middle, whatever it was. So technically Mosley has been all over the place while Wright was fighting at about the same weight he's always been used to in the pros.

I don't know about Hopkins being a "much more" crafty and better defensive fighter than Wright. But I guess we'll see when Taylor gets at him.

StephanBonnarrocks · 07-23-2006, 11:05 PM

1st of all winky the future? lol how old is he? hes got 3 big fights left, o wait, he pussied out from taylor wont fight floyd and refused to fight vargas before. hmmm, sounds to me like the end of a career. lol. ANYWAYS, look at how much the average boxer makes in his main event (ppvs) and look at ufc. lol that answers the question. boxings fine, just needs to be cleaned up and organized

Salvy_Mic · 08-13-2006, 11:27 PM

Damn, I was almost about to post something about Winky Wright before I remembered what the thread was originally about.

The problem with boxing is that it has always been heavyweight-centered. Even during the glory days of Leonard, Duran, Hearns, and Hagler, boxing was always measured by how exciting, or how exciting it was perceived to be, the heavyweight division was. Larry Holmes wasn't a loved champion at all, but his circus of a fight with Gerry Cooney still drew a whole lot of attention. When you get down to it, any sort of stunt that makes the HW division look intriguing, boxing fans and experts jump right on.

The biggest problem with boxing right now is that there are too many greedy promoters and managers who protect their fighters more zealously than a suburban mother does her children. The major organizations are stripping champions of their titles left and right because the champion wants to fight against the guys that will truly test them, not just against some mandatory the org puts in front of them, especially the ones that didn't deserve to be there. Guys like Owen Beck getting title shots? Please. The only good thing about something like this is you get the big upset, like Baldomir beating Judah and becoming the linear welterweight champion, and a good one at that.

The big fights, the truly compelling fights aren't happening because too many promoters and managers simply won't do business with others. Too many fighters will flat out refuse to fight other guys (i.e., Mayweather not wanting any part of Antonio Margarito). On top of that, they expect boxing fans to shill $50 for a PPV that could easily be on HBO or Showtime, since the numbers would probably be about the same. The only big draws these days who are still mostly active and coming back from inactivity are Manny Pacquiao, Erik Morales, and Marco Antonio Barrera. You only get one De La Hoya PPV per year, Roy Jones is a shell of his former self, Bernard Hopkins is retired, Arturo Gatti is on the downside, there are no compelling heavyweights, and the guys who could be big draws (Mayweather, Hatton, Cotto, Margarito, Taylor) are either not known enough, aren't able to get big fights, or have made themselves villains rather than heroes.

That said, there is still room for the sport of boxing to recover. Will it relegate MMA back to the proverbial bush leagues? No. MMA in this country has gained enough of a foothold where new promotions are popping up and doing good business, while the UFC is doing extremely well. A lot of UFC, and MMA guys in general, have become big enough names to draw big crowds and big buys.

No, in the future, boxing, kickboxing, and MMA will all continue to coexist side by side because they appeal to different kinds of fight fans and different kinds of fighters. They each have their own large niche in the fighting community.

fighterforjc · 09-16-2006, 06:52 PM

Boxing is in horrible shape because the the top fighters avoid the top fighters. This is old news, the way it's always been. You had fighters like Tyson avoiding Foreman, Hoyfield, Bowe, even paid Lewis to not fight him, and you have De La Hoya who made a career of fighting fighters who are either two weightclasses below him or 5 years past their prime. The best rarely fight the best in their primes. In MMA, the 90% of the fights fans want to see actually happen. We've had Fedor vs. Noguiera, Fedor vs. Cro Cop, Cro Cop vs Silva, Liddell vs Ortiz, Couture vs Liddell, just to name a few. That's the equivalent of having Tyson vs Bowe or Tyson vs Foreman, or De La Hoya vs Wright, Mayweather vs De La Hoya, Mosley vs Mayweather, Tyson vs Tua, Lewis vs Bowe, etc. But we rarely get that in boxing. that's why it's in bad shape.

Afro · 09-16-2006, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by fighterforjc

Boxing is in horrible shape because the the top fighters avoid the top fighters. This is old news, the way it's always been. You had fighters like Tyson avoiding Foreman, Hoyfield, Bowe, even paid Lewis to not fight him, and you have De La Hoya who made a career of fighting fighters who are either two weightclasses below him or 5 years past their prime. The best rarely fight the best in their primes. In MMA, the 90% of the fights fans want to see actually happen. We've had Fedor vs. Noguiera, Fedor vs. Cro Cop, Cro Cop vs Silva, Liddell vs Ortiz, Couture vs Liddell, just to name a few. That's the equivalent of having Tyson vs Bowe or Tyson vs Foreman, or De La Hoya vs Wright, Mayweather vs De La Hoya, Mosley vs Mayweather, Tyson vs Tua, Lewis vs Bowe, etc. But we rarely get that in boxing. that's why it's in bad shape.

WHOA!

How the hell is a Liddell vs Ortiz equivelant to ANY De La Hoya fight?

First off the highest gross sales that MMA has gotten is about 5 mill off from the highest gross sale that a De La Hoya fight ALONE has gotten, and its 1 mill away from the 35th highest gross sale boxing has ever gotten.. sorry but Boxing doesnt look in bad shape when it comes to money considering that the UFC has yet to take in near the kind of cash that Boxing is taking now and

didnt we see Hopkins/Tarver, Winky/Taylor? These are top fighters fighting eachother, we get to see Mayweather/De La Hoya next year.. were gonna see Mayweather/Baldomir in a few months, we saw Peters/Toney.. so how are we not seeing the top guys fight eachother?

its more of a problem in MMA then it is in boxing cuz MMA is a segregated sport.