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[Dork8503]

Seeing Floyd said he is taking at least 24 months off. If Cotto beats Hatton and Oscar would that make Cotto the best in the world, seeing he is unbeaten and has the same wins with also adding Shane in the mix too.

I am still convinced that Cotto and Shane can beat Floyd. Specially Shane.

Even though he is getting older, he still has more power then Floyd and also Shane has amazing speed, not as fast as Mayweather but damn fast. Also has better head movement so he will not just stand their an let Mayweather hit him.

Mayweather is great but everyone can be beat.

If i was Mayweather i would fight Cotto and Shane, if he beats then their really is no one left an he can truly retire and never look back.

[Punk Ass]

Dude you just don't get it. Fighting these guys mean nothing. Do you understand that PBF has came up from Junior Lightweight (130lb) division? Just because he loses to a guy who's naturally bigger than him doesn't he's not the P4P best in the world.

I still am pretty sure SSM or Cotto can't beat him and would love you to answer how can SSM can beat him when Mosley lost to a very slow Vernon Forrest (not taking anything away from forrest but come on. ) I know it's Boxing math but Forrest beat him by using defense, something PBF is a master of.

They only person that can beat PBF at 147 is Paul Williams. And that's because not only is Williams fast but he's the tallest MOFO in that division.

Edit: But even if Cotto could beat him which I doubted, it doesn't mean much because Cotto is naturally much bigger.

[Afro]

The Vernon Forrest fight is irrelevantl, SSM was not SSM at a higher weight class.. hes always struggled against bigger fighters.. always. SSM is still very fast, still has power, still puts punches together well.. he can beat PBF because of the weight class.. because PBF doesnt have size over him, in fact SSM has size over PBF. PBF can beat him too.. but this whole Ohhh SSM couldnt beat Vernon at a weight class that has nothing to do with the PBF fight means that theres no chance he beats a completely different fighter in PBF is bullshit.

[Caine2878]

Originally Posted by Afro

The Vernon Forrest fight is irrelevantl, SSM was not SSM at a higher weight class.. hes always struggled against bigger fighters.. always. SSM is still very fast, still has power, still puts punches together well.. he can beat PBF because of the weight class.. because PBF doesnt have size over him, in fact SSM has size over PBF. PBF can beat him too.. but this whole Ohhh SSM couldnt beat Vernon at a weight class that has nothing to do with the PBF fight means that theres no chance he beats a completely different fighter in PBF is bullshit.

I would have to agree the Forrest fight means absolutely nothing! Every fighter has his own unique style and forrest's style and size was not good for SSM. The whole agruement of aww he can't beat this person so that means he won't be able to beat this person is garbage!

[Noise Chopped]

I don't think anyone can beat Floyd Mayweather. Sugar Shane would probably have the best shot, but still - Mayweather just too defensivly sound. Cotto would just get beat around for twelve rounds.

[Dork8503]

harlem i usually agree with a lot you have to say but saying Shane can't beat Floyd because he lost to Forrest makes me wonder about you.

I mean why not just say he can't because Floyd because he lost to Winky.

I mean Hopkins lost to Taylor but he beat Winky and Tarver.

Just because Fighter A loses to fighter B does not mean Fighter A can't be fighter C.

Math does not work.

Shane has the style speed and power to beat PBF. I am not saying its a lock but i would bet for Shane. Same goes for Cotto.

And yes if Shane or Cotto beats Floyd it does mean something, they beat the p4p king, which imo makes them better then he is.

Forrest lost to Mayorga and Shane would school Mayorga but Shane lost to Forrest. Soooooo why is that.

[Punk Ass]

[QUOTE=Afro]

The Vernon Forrest fight is irrelevantl, SSM was not SSM at a higher weight class.. hes always struggled against bigger fighters.. always.

I would have to agree with you if you said Winky Wright, but Vernon Forrest beat Mosley twice at 147 so what are you talking about?

SSM is still very fast, still has power, still puts punches together well.. he can beat PBF because of the weight class.. because PBF doesnt have size over him, in fact SSM has size over PBF. PBF can beat him too.. but this whole Ohhh SSM couldnt beat Vernon at a weight class that has nothing to do with the PBF fight means that theres no chance he beats a completely different fighter in PBF is bullshit.

Shane Mosley started his career at 134 Floyd started at 131, that's not much of a difference. They both have gained muscle weight and have fought at 154, SSM isn't as big as you think he is, and physical strength doesn't mean as much in their case because they both are naturally about the same size, in height and reach also.

Cotto was about 140 for most of his career but he's very short and has extremely short arms. That's a disadvantage when fighting someone with the skills of PBF. Cotto would get plasted all day and probably get KO'd. He has no defense. What about Cotto's style makes you think he has any chance at all?

You think he's gonna break PBF down with body blows and Knock him out in the late rounds?

PBF is leaps and bounds better than anyone Cotto has ever fought including SSM.

[Punk Ass]

Originally Posted by Dork8503

harlem i usually agree with a lot you have to say but saying Shane can't beat Floyd because he lost to Forrest makes me wonder about you.

I mean why not just say he can't because Floyd because he lost to Winky.

I mean Hopkins lost to Taylor but he beat Winky and Tarver.

You misunderstood my math. Forrest beat SSM because of defense. He counter punched, grabbed, and dodged his way to a technically masterful victory. Floyd Mayweather is worse!!! He's extremely fast and a defensive first fighter that counterpunches the hell out of people. That's how you beat Shane Mosley. PBF's defense is much better than Winkys.' He's uses a philly Shell which is the same defense James Toney and B Hop uses but he's much better at it.

Shane Mosley is a offensive first fighter that has great defense but leaves himself open. That's how Cotto, Winky, and Forrest were able to hit him. SSM is good enough to not get hit with a KO shot but Forrest nearly knocked him out if you remember.

PBF doesn't get hit!

Shane has the style speed and power to beat PBF. I am not saying its a lock but i would bet for Shane. Same goes for Cotto.

They could beat him, but they have to hit him first. Floyd can't be hit!

And yes if Shane or Cotto beats Floyd it does mean something, they beat the p4p king, which imo makes them better then he is.

If Shane does than I agree, but Cotto is naturally bigger and stronger. P4P means that if every fighter was the same size naturally, who is the better.

Forrest lost to Mayorga and Shane would school Mayorga but Shane lost to Forrest. Soooooo why is that.

Forrest had a severe shoulder injury for both those fights. He eventually got surgury and now he's 100%

[Afro]

[QUOTE=harlemhustla145]

Originally Posted by Afro

I would have to agree with you if you said Winky Wright, but Vernon Forrest beat Mosley twice at 147 so what are you talking about?

Shane Mosley started his career at 134 Floyd started at 131, that's not much of a difference. They both have gained muscle weight and have fought at 154, SSM isn't as big as you think he is, and physical strength doesn't mean as much in their case because they both are naturally about the same size, in height and reach also.

Cotto was about 140 for most of his career but he's very short and has extremely short arms. That's a disadvantage when fighting someone with the skills of PBF. Cotto would get plasted all day and probably get KO'd. He has no defense. What about Cotto's style makes you think he has any chance at all?

You think he's gonna break PBF down with body blows and Knock him out in the late rounds?

PBF is leaps and bounds better than anyone Cotto has ever fought including SSM.

Has cocaine become legal in NY?

When did I say hes gonna break PBF down with body blows and knock him out in the late rounds?

What is your point about SSM fighting Vernon at 147? you know damn well that Vernon is a much bigger opponent then SSM despite the weight class, you should know all about weight cutting at this point.. youve been watching MMA and Boxing long enough.. so dont feed me that BS.

Originally Posted by Caine2878

I would have to agree the Forrest fight means absolutely nothing! Every fighter has his own unique style and forrest's style and size was not good for SSM. The whole agruement of aww he can't beat this person so that means he won't be able to beat this person is garbage!

and dont you box too? see.. its funny how the opinions of those who have actually boxed before differ from those who havent

[Punk Ass]

Originally Posted by Afro

When did I say hes gonna break PBF down with body blows and knock him out in the late rounds?

I'm trying to find some reasoning to you thinking Cotto can beat him.

What is your point about SSM fighting Vernon at 147? you know damn well that Vernon is a much bigger opponent then SSM despite the weight class, you should know all about weight cutting at this point.. youve been watching MMA and Boxing long enough.. so dont feed me that BS.

Of course I know about weight cutting, every fighter has to do it. I do know Forrest has a big height advantage but I don't think Height played as much as much of an advantage because of the way Forrest beat him. He's just counter punched and clinched., he didn't even take advantage of him height advantage because all Mosley did was come inside.

Anyway, it's a matter of opinion and because of our lil debate, I pray they fight so you, Dork and anyone else can stop thinking I'm on crack and snort coke lol.