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Also, this card did more than 2 million PPV buys. How is a dying sport breaking those kind of records? It's fucking gaining popularity lol!

Pacquaio-Cotto: 2 million buys? | Fightnews - Boxing News Updated 24/7

[Caine2878]

Originally Posted by Harlem

Well no, everybody can't be right but your picks are a little absured.

You say Pacman has never faced anyone like PBF, but when has PBF ever faced anyone as powerful, fast, and swarming as Pacman? With some of the best cardio I've ever seen to boot.

De La Hoya arguably out worked PBF and look what Pacman did to him? Look at what Pacman did to hatton in 2 rounds; PBF was arguably losing that fight aswell.

Look at this fight stylistically. P4P Pacman is the much faster, stronger, smoking joe frazier (with George Forman type power) to PBF's Mahammed Ali. Tailor made for disaster.

Do you really see PBF keeping manny off of him for 12 rounds? People forget that PBF came up in weight from 130lbs himself so this is not as dangerous a fight as Cotto. And PBF will do well, but he will fade. Jose luis Castillo almost beat PBF WTF do you think he's going to do to Pacman!?

Stop acting like you know WTF you're talking about you sound silly, especially when you were wrong as 2 left shoes in the Cotto fight.

I stopped reading after you said Floyd was arguably losing the Hatton fight. Do you know what the judges scorecards read at the time of the KO?

89-81 88-82 89-81 All for Floyd. What fight were you watching? Also REAL boxing heads know you can not compare what one fighter does in the ring with what another fighter does. Hence why I never brought up Floyds destruction of Marquez and Manny's troubles with Marquez. Styles make fights. As for DLH fights. Let me break it down for you. Floyd fought DLH at 154 a MUCH more comfortable weight for DLH. Manny fought DLH at 145! 145 a weight he had not been at in almost 8 years! C'Mon SON! That weight loss killed DLH.

Yea I was wrong in the Cotto fight I know that but please don't base my boxing knowledge off one incorrect prediction. I've had plenty boxing debates here since I've been here and even received rep from yourself of my boxing knowledge.

[Caine2878]

Originally Posted by Harlem

Also, this card did more than 2 million PPV buys. How is a dying sport breaking those kind of records? It's fucking gaining popularity lol!

Pacquaio-Cotto: 2 million buys? | Fightnews - Boxing News Updated 24/7

I just really want to see what type of numbers the PBF vs PAc fight will do. Its going to be massive!

[Punk Ass]

Originally Posted by Caine2878

89-81 88-82 89-81 All for Floyd. What fight were you watching? Also REAL boxing heads know you can not compare what one fighter does in the ring with what another fighter does. Hence why I never brought up Floyds destruction of Marquez and Manny's troubles with Marquez. Styles make fights. As for DLH fights. Let me break it down for you. Floyd fought DLH at 154 a MUCH more comfortable weight for DLH. Manny fought DLH at 145! 145 a weight he had not been at in almost 8 years! C'Mon SON! That weight loss killed DLH.

Ok, I must have forgot the score cards for the hatton PBF fight but shit happens.

Now, I also restrain from using Boxing math, but to compare competition is all good. PBF hasn't fought anybody period. He's fought good fighters, but when he fought the only great fighter in his career (DLH) he looked terrible.

I don't buy the whole DLH was more comfortable at 154 BS because DLH also came up in weight from 130 as well as PBF. They both are natueally about 135.

Not just that, you're just speculating. Lets look at facts not opinions of why PBF may have not looked so good.

Anyway, I think PBF ios a great fighter but he hasn't fought anybody anywhere near as good as the the best WWs. Until he does that, you don't know if he's truly the best.

Yea I was wrong in the Cotto fight I know that but please don't base my boxing knowledge off one incorrect prediction. I've had plenty boxing debates here since I've been here and even received rep from yourself of my boxing knowledge.

You may know something about Boxing, but as soon as PBF decides to become a man and fight Pacman, you will be wrong again.

Stylistically, I can't see how you can't see that pacman is a horrible matchup for PBF. PBF has never fought anybody as fast, powerful, explosive, that will put the type of pressure Manny is going to put on him. How the hell can you possibly think he can handle that?

[Caine2878]

Stylistically IMHO PBF is a nightmare matchup for Pac. Pac has not faced anyone with the speed, accuracy, and SUPERB defensive skills that he will face with PBF. Pacman throws ALOT of wild punches leaving himself open to get hit. Floyd is too fast and too accurate with his counter punching. He will consistantly be able to roll off manny's punches and counter with speed and accuracy. Majority of the fighters Manny has faced have been too slow to get out of the way of his punches. That will not be the case with Floyd.

Regardless of what weight you came up from as your body ages it gets harder and harder to get it back down to previous weights. So DLH coming up from 130 as well means nothing. He hadn't fought at WW in 8 years why? Because it was too hard to cut the weight. Ask any boxer and they will tell you that. In high school I boxed at 130. There is no way in hell I could get back down to 130 without doing some damage to my body.

[pantomime horse]

Originally Posted by Caine2878

Stylistically IMHO PBF is a nightmare matchup for Pac. Pac has not faced anyone with the speed, accuracy, and SUPERB defensive skills that he will face with PBF. Pacman throws ALOT of wild punches leaving himself open to get hit. Floyd is too fast and too accurate with his counter punching. He will consistantly be able to roll off manny's punches and counter with speed and accuracy. Majority of the fighters Manny has faced have been too slow to get out of the way of his punches. That will not be the case with Floyd.

Regardless of what weight you came up from as your body ages it gets harder and harder to get it back down to previous weights. So DLH coming up from 130 as well means nothing. He hadn't fought at WW in 8 years why? Because it was too hard to cut the weight. Ask any boxer and they will tell you that. In high school I boxed at 130. There is no way in hell I could get back down to 130 without doing some damage to my body.

I said it before and I'll say it again: I want Pacman to beat PBF.

That said, this mega fight would be Floyd's to lose because while Manny has the speed to contend with Floyd, more power, and is a pretty good boxer himself, Floyd is very crafty defensively and has excellent feet. He can move and hit his way to a victory over just about anyone and that includes Manny Pacquiao. Manny is unorthodox which might help, but I just don't think he'll be able to do to Floyd what he did to Hatton and Cotto. Those two were pretty orthodox fighters and couldn't find a way to evade Manny's odd angle punches. Floyd will likely slip them and receive only glancing blows for the majority of the fight while landing some good counter punches.

I honestly don't think there's anyone out there who I would make a betting favorite over PBF. Still, I'd really like to see this mega fight take place. It's the kind of fight that Floyd can use to further cement his legacy and if he somehow loses the fight there would be a huge rematch.

[marekny144]

Originally Posted by Caine2878

Yes I did say Cotto was going to win and I am man enough to admit I was wrong. Has every prediction you've ever made been right? I highly doubt it.

I give you props for admitting your mistake. As for your question, I simply see no point in predicting outcome of fights. It's gambling, which I don't do.

[Punk Ass]

Originally Posted by Caine2878

Stylistically IMHO PBF is a nightmare matchup for Pac. Pac has not faced anyone with the speed, accuracy, and SUPERB defensive skills that he will face with PBF. Pacman throws ALOT of wild punches leaving himself open to get hit. Floyd is too fast and too accurate with his counter punching. He will consistantly be able to roll off manny's punches and counter with speed and accuracy. Majority of the fighters Manny has faced have been too slow to get out of the way of his punches. That will not be the case with Floyd.

You do understand that PBF has never fought anybody as fast as him right? Do you also know that manny has some damn good defense in his own right?

Also, he doesn't throw wild punches that leave him open, he throws very powerful hooks that get countered by great boxers like Cotto. And yes, PBF will counter him aswell, but what you don't understand is speed kills.

Manny is a counter puncher himself but he soo damn fast that he will be one of the only fighters that can actually hit Floyd. Manny doesn't stop dude, from the begining till the end he will be in Floyd's face. Destroying his body, eventually bringing his hands down, and destroying his head. Floyd will get tired, and will be hurt, but manny doesn't wilt. PBF can't hurt him.

You saw what happend to Cotto, DLH, and Hatton. PBF will put on a good performance but you will see him wilt from the power dude. Manny have inhuman strength for his size, these little guys can't deal with it man! PBF has never fought anything like this. The only thing Pacman has to deal with is PBF covering up on the ropes but manny will be more than happy to tee off on him and score points but all those body shots and arm shots will wear PBF down until he gets cracked right on his jaw. He can be hit, and has been hit, just not with anything that Pacman will hit him with.

Regardless of what weight you came up from as your body ages it gets harder and harder to get it back down to previous weights. So DLH coming up from 130 as well means nothing. He hadn't fought at WW in 8 years why? Because it was too hard to cut the weight. Ask any boxer and they will tell you that. In high school I boxed at 130. There is no way in hell I could get back down to 130 without doing some damage to my body.

This is not the point I'm trying to make. DLH is still naturally around the same size as PBF, everything else is just added muscle, fat, or water weight. It doesn't change the height, reach, and the overall ability to absorb damage.

[Caine2878]

^^^ The same way you say PBF has never faced anyone as fast as Manny. Do you realize that Manny has never faced anyone as fast, accurate, and with the defensive skills Floyd has as well right? I think we are going to have to agree to disagree and just come back to this thread once this fight goes down!

[Punk Ass]

Originally Posted by Caine2878

^^^ The same way you say PBF has never faced anyone as fast as Manny. Do you realize that Manny has never faced anyone as fast, accurate, and with the defensive skills Floyd has as well right? I think we are going to have to agree to disagree and just come back to this thread once this fight goes down!

So you can admit you were wrong.....Again.