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As far as combat sports go, I think MMA has already taken the lead is not looking back.
Just my 2 cents though.

I think we will start seeing GREAT boxers start training MMA earlier and enter MMA orgs.
Look at Showtime's ratings for its MMA events then tell me where MMA is actually surpassing boxing. Nobody is watching MMA. They're only watching the UFC. The UFC brand has surpassed MMA. Nobody even calls it MMA. They call it cage fighting or ultimate fighting or UFC. "Hey, let's watch some UFC". So they turn the channel to StrikeForce on CBS. LOL!
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Boxing does need a Tyson, but I think the next Tyson will choose MMA...
Nope. The next Tyson is the guy who is on the gridiron looking to be an NFL star. Remember, UFC was Brock Lesnar's THIRD choice. He wanted to be an NFL player first but failed. The WWE lifestyle killed him. UFC was his third resort and his final resort. Luckily he's good at it thus far.
Let's not go acting like kids are dying to do MMA. It's a niche sport still mostly run in bars and small-time gyms and clubs.
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I was talking about this with some friends last night, actually. My boxing enthusiest friend thinks they should book more big money fights for free. Getting casual fans interested. Then they would be willing to pay money to watch it. And have more big names booked against each other.

I, myself, have never been into boxing so I wouldn't know where to begin.
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So as the heavyweight division goes, so goes boxing. The most well known boxers in history were heavyweights. That's it, they need a showstopper at heavyweight and a few contenders. Boxing is only as good as the heavyweight division, and right now it's weak sauce.
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I'm not sure where else to ask this, but I've been wondering this for a while now and would like your opinions on this. I've noticed a lot of dumbass casual MMA fans (as riverthead so eloquently puts it) really like fighters like Chris Leban who like to stand and throw. My idea is that boxing should remove the boxing gloves and use the smaller gloves that the UFC currently uses. I'd make the fights in boxing around 6 rounds at the very most. I really think this would make their fights a lot more exciting and probably a lot safer for the fighters themselves.

My question is do you think this approach would work?
well casual fans are stupid though theres no interest in boxing thats the problem they already invested in all their tapout shirts and probably wont watch boxing because apparently you have to pick one or the other(mostly on the boxing side but casual mma fans think this as well).

they can do stuff like this i guess to make it entertaining but they need some big fight with tons of hype in order to make them wanna watch and get the ball rolling again. these douches want to do as their told by the media basically and thats the only way they will flock to boxing.
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Wanna save boxing? Make the PPV's $9.99! After wasting $40 on a couple Tyson fights many years ago, I'll never buy one again.
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1. less sanctioning bodies

2. less weight classes. the difference between weight classes shouldn't be determined by whether you took a big dump in the morning.

3. allow boxing to be run like mma. Where the promoter is also the sanctioning body. Do you think if Mayweather and pacqiou (sp) were in the UFC it would take this long for the fight to happen.
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Nope. The next Tyson is the guy who is on the gridiron looking to be an NFL star. Remember, UFC was Brock Lesnar's THIRD choice. He wanted to be an NFL player first but failed. The WWE lifestyle killed him. UFC was his third resort and his final resort. Luckily he's good at it thus far.
Let's not go acting like kids are dying to do MMA. It's a niche sport still mostly run in bars and small-time gyms and clubs.
i personally think brock would have went to mma out of college if it was a viable option then. it was relativity unknown at the time.
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Look at Showtime's ratings for its MMA events then tell me where MMA is actually surpassing boxing. Nobody is watching MMA. They're only watching the UFC. The UFC brand has surpassed MMA. Nobody even calls it MMA. They call it cage fighting or ultimate fighting or UFC. "Hey, let's watch some UFC". So they turn the channel to StrikeForce on CBS. LOL!
a decent amount of people call it mma and the ufc is mma so your not making any sense. because people don't watch every mma organization that means nobody watches it? thats so dumb words can't even describe.

its like saying since people don't watch arena football then nobody watches football.
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1. less sanctioning bodies

2. less weight classes. the difference between weight classes shouldn't be determined by whether you took a big dump in the morning.

3. allow boxing to be run like mma. Where the promoter is also the sanctioning body. Do you think if Mayweather and pacqiou (sp) were in the UFC it would take this long for the fight to happen.
The UFC could not contain both Pacman and Mayweather. Looking at the amount of PPV buys each of them brings just off their name alone, their market value is worth more than what the UFC could ever afford to pay them. Mayweather made a guaranteed 22.5 million for the Mosley fight and that's not even taking into account the revenue from ppv sales and the gate itself. He walked away with approximately $40 million. There is nobody in the UFC, not Lesnar, Fedor, GSP, Anderson, Liddell, or Couture who can command even a fraction of what Mayweather commands.
And furthermore, the money Mayweather makes from boxing didn't happen overnight. It took many many years to get into this position to command mega million dollar paydays. This is something people tend to forget when they say "Hey all these boxers make so much money!"
You better be a damn good boxer to make that kind of loot. Tyson post-prison was at his most popular and made similar money. DLH...same thing.
Somebody like Lesnar isn't in a postion to command that kind of money although I do think that if he gets bigger in stature, he will be in a position to command more money than what the UFC is willing to pay him. The only thing is, Lesnar can't command it because nobody else in MMA can pay him what he wants. So he's not really able to get more money outside of the UFC. But I do think if he's a good businessman, he should command a bigger percentage of the gate, ppv buys and more money up front.
Somebody like Carwin is more than willing to bend over and let Dana do as he pleases. It's why Carwin is a joke of a businessman. 40K up front for the Lesnar fight is a complete joke, no matter if Carwin is making money from sponsors or what not.
The UFC is lucky in that MMA is a young sport. When fighters begin gaining the media attention and popularity of world class athletes like Andre Agassi in his prime, Tiger Woods, Roger Federer, Lebron James, etc...the UFC is going to be forced to pay much much more money. But since the UFC is the only game in town, the fighters best do what they're told. The top stars are still being paid well just as long as they're winning their fights. But if you look at what Lesnar makes for a UFC fight and what somebody like Mayweather or Pacquiao makes for a boxing match, the UFC is still in the prehistoric ages. Then again, MMA is a very young sport whereas boxing has been around for over 100 years.
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