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[Afro]

Originally Posted by harlemhustla145

Afro, who the hell is JMO?

just my opinion


and another thing, I know Burt Sugar likes to claim fighters are overrated just because of there techincal flaws IE: Muhammad Ali but still I dont believe Taylor is that good.

[Punk Ass]

Originally Posted by Afro Samurai

just my opinion


and another thing, I know Burt Sugar likes to claim fighters are overrated just because of there techincal flaws IE: Muhammad Ali but still I dont believe Taylor is that good.

You know what, I agree. People like Ali, and RJJ, were so good because of natural ability. Hell, they were the best because of it, but without it, they just became very good boxers, but not great. I do think Tayor is good though. Hell, he won the gold metal in the olympics, obviously he's a very good boxer. Overwhelmingly by MMA standards.

[Afro]

Originally Posted by harlemhustla145

You know what, I agree. People like Ali, and RJJ, were so good because of natural ability. Hell, they were the best because of it, but without it, they just became very good boxers, but not great. I do think Tayor is good though. Hell, he won the gold metal in the olympics, obviously he's a very good boxer. Overwhelmingly by MMA standards.

Im not saying hes bad at all, Burt Sugar says hes an awful boxer lol but im saying he lost to Winky, some believe he should have a loss to BHop hes not in my Top 3 and I think he would lose to Winky in a rematch

[Luis Cruz]

Originally Posted by Afro Samurai

Burt Sugar claims Taylor is overrated too, im sticking with his opinion

and ya Winky turned down a rematch when he was angry at the decision, but you did see the interview that happened after the fight where he said he would fight him again right?

I still say hes 2nd P4P, I dont think Barrera, Taylor, Marquez, or Hopkins are better boxers then him.. JMO maybe Pacman.

Tons of boxing sites have him in the Top 3 though, and I agree with them hes the best finese boxer out there right now, and I believe he was screwed out of the Vargas fight and Taylor fight.. I watched that fight 3 times and dont see how he won.. ya coulda done more in the 12th but he sitll won the 12th! that 12th round is comedy to me.. people nag on how Winky shoulda went out there and took the 12th round, but ignore the fact that Taylor did a lot less then Winky did.

Bert is a boxing genius but there are times when i don't agree with him. Taylor can box, it's insane to say he can't and he beat Hopkins straight up and it's Hopkin's fault both times for waiting to start. While everyone likes to hang on to one round to determine a fight i always score the entire fight and am usually different than the judges for the most part. I had Taylor winning that fight and if i remember correctly he definitely won that last round. Winky did absolutely nothing but sit back and hold on to what he thought was a 'w'. Didn't the commentators and post fight reports even talk shit about him for laying back in a close fight? Taylor worked that last round whether he didn't land anything great, he fought so he wins, period.

And yea Winky said he'd fight Taylor again but being that he said that first and then Taylor said "yea let's do it" when asked about it is all good BUT the fact that he changed his mind AFTER he said that makes him look like a coward for saying 'i want a rematch' then when it starts being talked about he backs out with the excuse, "i don't have anything to prove i won the first fight." That's crap and you can't justify that no matter how hard you try.

Most sites do have Winky very high and that's why i said he's overrated, if they didn't then i wouldn't say that because then he'd be rated where he belongs. lol

I can't believe you said he's a better boxer than Marquez', Hopkins, or Barrera, that's just crazy talk. You're holding him too high because of his defense but as far as overall boxing skills he doesn't touch any of those guys and their past fights prove that. You can say he's one of the best defensive fighters in the game but that's it, you start talking about ring generalship, putting punches together, footwork, and all that, are you seriously gonna sit there and try to argue he's better than those guys?! lol Don't be a silly guy because that would be bias talking and you know that.

[Afro]

and if he beats Bhop will that mean anything?

I hope theres a Vbookie for that fight cuz ima bet all my money on it, and I still disagree on him being a coward... you ask a guy thats pissed off about a decision if he wants a rematch how can you expect a straight answer? when he had his head on right and was asked the same question he said he would give a rematch I dont see how thats being a coward, and theres nothing biased about it.. I mean so many people have Winky in the Top 3 P4P are they all Winky fans too? I dont think so.. and I am not even rating him on his defense.. but Ill ask again whats gonna happen if he beats Bhop? hes still gonna be overrated?

sorry I still felt he beat Taylor, I feel hes gonna beat Bhop, he has wins over Mosley and Trinidad what more do you want?

[Luis Cruz]

Originally Posted by Afro Samurai

and if he beats Bhop will that mean anything?

I hope theres a Vbookie for that fight cuz ima bet all my money on it, and I still disagree on him being a coward... you ask a guy thats pissed off about a decision if he wants a rematch how can you expect a straight answer? when he had his head on right and was asked the same question he said he would give a rematch I dont see how thats being a coward, and theres nothing biased about it.. I mean so many people have Winky in the Top 3 P4P are they all Winky fans too? I dont think so.. and I am not even rating him on his defense.. but Ill ask again whats gonna happen if he beats Bhop? hes still gonna be overrated?

sorry I still felt he beat Taylor, I feel hes gonna beat Bhop, he has wins over Mosley and Trinidad what more do you want?

Damn dude you asked me twice in this post what if he beats bhop when i answered it like 3 times already. lol I said if he beats him i won't ever call him overrated again, then i'll be impressed, especially at 170lbs. AS LONG as it's not some snooze fest where neither guy does anything, that won't prove anything. But if he wins an actual bout with some good boxing and action where they both look like they're trying to win, i'll give the man his props for sure.

Oh and you're backwords bro, he first said he wanted a rematch when he was all pissed after the match. Then it was discussed and Taylor said he wanted it, then Winky backed down saying he proved himself already. So it wasn't directly after, he changed his tune. Hopefully they do it in the future again though, because i'll take Taylor again.

[Afro]

Originally Posted by Luis Cruz

Damn dude you asked me twice in this post what if he beats bhop when i answered it like 3 times already. lol I said if he beats him i won't ever call him overrated again, then i'll be impressed, especially at 170lbs. AS LONG as it's not some snooze fest where neither guy does anything, that won't prove anything. But if he wins an actual bout with some good boxing and action where they both look like they're trying to win, i'll give the man his props for sure.

Oh and you're backwords bro, he first said he wanted a rematch when he was all pissed after the match. Then it was discussed and Taylor said he wanted it, then Winky backed down saying he proved himself already. So it wasn't directly after, he changed his tune. Hopefully they do it in the future again though, because i'll take Taylor again.

Im still takin Winky, I had him beatin Taylor before there match and felt he did win and im not that much of a winky fan that I would blindly say he won a fight he didnt win, im pretty much a winky fan by default.. thats just how I saw the fight go.

[Dork8503]

i thought winky won the taylor fight, it was close and was a little pissed at the draw but i believe he did enough to win. Taylor i believe is overrated, yes he is a good boxer, but not great, his last fight i thought he looked horrible and he should have finished that fight. As far as bhop and winky go im not sure im kinda stuck in the middle, maybe ill take a draw lol. Idk i like both guys and both guys have showed alot but i would have to go with winky because bhop is up there in age.

[Punk Ass]

Originally Posted by dork8503

i thought winky won the taylor fight, it was close and was a little pissed at the draw but i believe he did enough to win. Taylor i believe is overrated, yes he is a good boxer, but not great, his last fight i thought he looked horrible and he should have finished that fight. As far as bhop and winky go im not sure im kinda stuck in the middle, maybe ill take a draw lol. Idk i like both guys and both guys have showed alot but i would have to go with winky because bhop is up there in age.

You know what's funny about this. What do you base a great fighter off of? I understand what your saying, but you arew talking about a man that had very good toe to toe fights with B Hop and Winky. It's obvious Taylor is arguably the best MW out there, with the exception of Winky. And he's a Olympic gold metalist.

By MMA standards, with Taylors skills, he would be the mahamed Ali of MMA went it comes to striking, wouldn't you agree?? Honestly, for him to even compete with that level of competition is pretty great to me.

[Dork8503]

no way im a saying taylor isnt a good fighter, he beat bhop somthing thats hard to do, but im saying in his last fight he didnt look good and from that i just believe he is a little over rated, i still think he is good, i cant argue with you saying he is one of the best mw, im just saying his last fight kinda pissed me off he looked sloppy and everything else, but cant deny his skills