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[Salvy_Mic]

....and it's absolutely disgusting!!
http://www.boxing2006.com/FightRepor...ngWithTito.htm

I've had it up to here with Jermain Taylor. As far as I'm concerned, he will never have any sort of respect from me unless his next fight is against the rightful #1 contender, Kelly Pavlik. It's bad enough that he's been making his career fighting guys who belong at either welterweight or jr. middleweight, but now he wants to fight a guy who's been retired for more than 2 years now. Financially, it makes sense because the money and the exposure will be huge, but ethically and competitively, it's just vomit-inducing. So by this, he robs Pavlik of his chance to dethrone the real, lineal champion at 160 on live, national television and make a huge name for himself and relegates Pavlik to fighting the WBC #2 contender for a vacant, nigh meaningless title on a Manny Pacquiao undercard come fall. Way to go Jermain .

[SimpleJack]

Like I keep saying, Jermain Taylor is a paper champion and a punk. He will not risk fighting Pavlik or even Calzaghe because he only fights retired or about to retire fighters who are well out of their prime. (Wright 34, Hopkins 40, Joppy 34, Trinidad's 34, Marquez 34) And trust me, every one of them is well past their prime compared to a mid 20's fighter like Taylor who has only had 28 fights.

[JimmyMoore]

Wait Wait.. lets not get carried away here. This is the same guy who fought Hopkins twice and THEN Winky, three fights in a row. Arguably the toughest three fight stretch of any current boxer. And save all that shit about them not being in their prime. Winky is in the top three of the majority of the P4P lists, and Hopkins completely dismantled De La Hoya, lost to Taylor twice, and then slapped Tarver around like an amateur for 12 rounds. I'd say he's still a pretty good boxer. Come on, after that, Taylor deserved a break. I am more than willing to cut him some slack for fighting Ouma (who is not an easy fight for anybody) and then Spinks. That's just two fights guys. And I've got news for you, Trinidad v. Taylor would be a damn entertaining fight. Of course I want to see him fight Pavlik, but to say he's not a true champion just because he delays one great fight, for a good fight and more money makes A LOT of fighters not true champions.

[LebenTysonTank]

OMG....Joppy was a legitimate opponent for Taylor at the time,umm...Winky is at his best right now he isn't "past his prime"...this is what I call bias.B Hop is no worse then he ever was,why don't you watch the Tarver fight and tell me what...he wasnt in his prime when he lost to Taylor TWICE and then when he fought Tarver he came back into it?? Hopkins is still at the top of his game infact better then he was when he was young and he has said that himself,some fighters get better with age like Lennox Lewis. When Joe Calzaghe stops fighting Peter Manfredo beats B Hop,Winky or Tarver caliber fighters then call someone a punk.

[SimpleJack]

We're just going to have do disagree on this. A. He didn't beat Wright. B. He didn't beat Hopkins. C. Joppy had lost 2 of his last 4 when they fought so the only legitimacy to him being a contender was that he had the WBA Middleweight title which isn't saying shit. D. Winky is still great, but a natural light middle and has been for 90% of his career. E. Hopkins beat Tarver, that's true, but did you see the shell of his former self Tarver was after gaining that weight for Rocky????? Please don't even bring him into this.

[SimpleJack]

Originally Posted by JimmyMoore

but to say he's not a true champion just because he delays one great fight, for a good fight and more money makes A LOT of fighters not true champions.

I agree with you 100% on this. That's why Hopkins is the greatest champion of our time.

[Punk Ass]

Originally Posted by LebenTysonTank

OMG....Joppy was a legitimate opponent for Taylor at the time,umm...Winky is at his best right now he isn't "past his prime"...this is what I call bias.B Hop is no worse then he ever was,why don't you watch the Tarver fight and tell me what...he wasnt in his prime when he lost to Taylor TWICE and then when he fought Tarver he came back into it?? Hopkins is still at the top of his game infact better then he was when he was young and he has said that himself,some fighters get better with age like Lennox Lewis. When Joe Calzaghe stops fighting Peter Manfredo beats B Hop,Winky or Tarver caliber fighters then call someone a punk.

Lol, fighters don't get better with age unless they're just hitting their 30s. B Hop is well past his prime which is why he lost to Taylor. Even RJJ doesn't think he's past his prime, in fact he says he was just not focused lol.

B Hop cleaned out the MW division in his prime(after he got his ass whooped by RJJ of course.) I just think you never seen him fight in his prime IMO. Niw I do agree, B Hop is still one of the best boxers today still, but he was better in his prime(that's why he made glen Johnson look like a bum, and Glen gave Tarver 2 damn good fights.) B Hops technique gives him longevity, not reflexes.

Anyhow, I would love to see a taylor vs Tito fight. It would generate the most money, and if anybody has enough power to effect taylor, it's Tito. And IMO he's a better boxer than Pavlik anyway. I don't think ring rust will be a factor for him IMO. I think he trains really hard for this fight and has the possiblity of winning it. Taylor is not known for his defense, but he does have Manny Steward in his corner and that does make a difference.

That would be a hell of a fight, and would make a Pavlik vs taylor fight much more money if Taylor beats Trinidad. I don't wanna see Trinidad fight Pav though, I think Pav would knock his block off, he's 2 damn big and strong IMO.

[LebenTysonTank]

Originally Posted by DonFrye

We're just going to have do disagree on this. A. He didn't beat Wright. B. He didn't beat Hopkins. C. Joppy had lost 2 of his last 4 when they fought so the only legitimacy to him being a contender was that he had the WBA Middleweight title which isn't saying shit. D. Winky is still great, but a natural light middle and has been for 90% of his career. E. Hopkins beat Tarver, that's true, but did you see the shell of his former self Tarver was after gaining that weight for Rocky????? Please don't even bring him into this.

ABCD and E...Wow...thats a lot of alphabet to have to explain why he isn't good. the facts are he DID beat Hopkins...TWICE,and I don't care what anyone says Hopkins is just as good as he ever was,who did he ever beat besides an UNDER WEIGHT De La Hoya and Trinidad?? Please tell me I don't have a point. I love Hopkins but I am not going to let that over rate him,because any time he is out worked IE Jones and Taylor he loses.Anyone that presses a fast pace that he has a hard time adjustng to, offsets him and BEATS him!!! If he didnt beat Winky,you cant say Winky beat him either,If Winky can thoroughly dominate fighters like Trinidad why cant he do it to JT? Because JT "sucks" and is a "paper champion?" And thats even after he fought Hopkins twice in a row...Hopkins or Winky havent fought a schedule like that.Im not trying to be confrontational but I insist on you admitting your wrong.

[Punk Ass]

Originally Posted by DonFrye

Tarver, that's true, but did you see the shell of his former self Tarver was after gaining that weight for Rocky????? Please don't even bring him into this.

What the fuck?? Tarver was always garbage compared to the world class fighters by boxing standards. Stop listening to the excuses fighters make about their bad performances. Glen Johnson gave Tarver a hell of a fight before he ever did Rocky, and Hopkins destroyed Glen Johnson easily. The whole LHW division was shit.

Tarver just fought a shell of RJJ and I give all praises due to Tarvers power, not his skill. Before he fought RJJ, he was a bum. Right place at the right time.

[Dork8503]

Taylor is a bum

Tarver is a bum