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[Mastiff_owner]

I actually agree with what Joe said about why boxing is in the state its in. Quality of the fights. Granted not every boxing match will be gatti ward 1,2 or 3 but there should be action in every round. Two fighters going in to jab/clinch out a decision is not what made me a fan of boxing back in the day.


Smoogy- you were right this should have gone in the boxing section my bad. Mods can move anytime.

[Noise Chopped]

Originally Posted by Palma Wrestler

All I did was ask you questions, which you dodged by the way. If you are reading emotional intent then that is your projection.

DLH vs. Mayweather eclipsed the previous non HW bout PPV record by over a million buys. Again, what state are you talking about? And the implication of the thread on the main "MMA" forum and not the boxing forum suggest that as MMA fans we are glad to see ESPN doging boxing like the dogs eveything else. They also had allot of bad shit to say about MMA a one point. Does that mean they are right because they wrote it?

The fact the DLH vs. Mayweather fight was dubbed as, "The fight to save boxing," night and day should give you a good reason of what I mean. I don't remember the NBA, the NFL, MLB, or hell - Even the NHL having any one single night being dubbed with any titles that referred to the possability of the sport being saved (from what any logical person would assume death).

Now, whether or not that statements right - The position boxing has put itself in (meaning not having to rely on ONE, super, mega fight that proved to be the "sweet science" the casual fans hate) has very little to do with MMA. Pointing out what boxing's done to itself shouldn't be shrugged off as some low level attempt at pumping up MMA, but maybe even embraced? Those old quacks that go on ranting about how awful MMA is should really take the time to look into a MIRROR and check itself out before jumping to any conclusions.

Maybe then boxing won't have to rely on one mega fight a decade to "save" it.

[Palma]

Originally Posted by Subj. & Noise Chopped

The fact the DLH vs. Mayweather fight was dubbed as, "The fight to save boxing," night and day should give you a good reason of what I mean. I don't remember the NBA, the NFL, MLB, or hell - Even the NHL having any one single night being dubbed with any titles that referred to the possability of the sport being saved (from what any logical person would assume death).

Now, whether or not that statements right - The position boxing has put itself in (meaning not having to rely on ONE, super, mega fight that proved to be the "sweet science" the casual fans hate) has very little to do with MMA. Pointing out what boxing's done to itself shouldn't be shrugged off as some low level attempt at pumping up MMA, but maybe even embraced? Those old quacks that go on ranting about how awful MMA is should really take the time to look into a MIRROR and check itself out before jumping to any conclusions.

Maybe then boxing won't have to rely on one mega fight a decade to "save" it.

Way to dodge the question again. Are you fucking retarded or something?

[Mastiff_owner]

Originally Posted by Palma Wrestler

All I did was ask you questions, which you dodged by the way. If you are reading emotional intent then that is your projection.

DLH vs. Mayweather eclipsed the previous non HW bout PPV record by over a million buys. Again, what state are you talking about? And the implication of the thread on the main "MMA" forum and not the boxing forum suggest that as MMA fans we are glad to see ESPN doging boxing like the dogs eveything else. They also had allot of bad shit to say about MMA a one point. Does that mean they are right because they wrote it?

I don't think comparing one record breaking event in DLH v PBF and one UFC event is an accurrate portrayal of teh state of boxing. They showed the PPV revenues from last year for boxing and the UFC the numbers weren't even comparable the UFC blew them out of the water.

Its true that ESPN was saying alot of bad shit about mma but that was mostly done by uneducated, unappreciative journalists that had no real idea of what they were talking about. That is why this article stood out to me. It was written by someone that knows what the hell they are talking about and it was probably the most objective view of boxing's problems I have seen anywhere.

Now that they have been educated a little they are beginning to come around on mma.

[Palma]

Originally Posted by Mastiff_owner

I don't think comparing one record breaking event in DLH v PBF and one UFC event is an accurrate portrayal of teh state of boxing. They showed the PPV revenues from last year for boxing and the UFC the numbers weren't even comparable the UFC blew them out of the water.

Its true that ESPN was saying alot of bad shit about mma but that was mostly done by uneducated, unappreciative journalists that had no real idea of what they were talking about. That is why this article stood out to me. It was written by someone that knows what the hell they are talking about and it was probably the most objective view of boxing's problems I have seen anywhere.

Now that they have been educated a little they are beginning to come around on mma.

I thought this wasn't about MMA vs. Boxing. Besides, the UFC has 12 events a year. Of course they are going to have higher revenue because of it.

[Noise Chopped]

Originally Posted by Palma Wrestler

State boxing is in?

Yea, the state being having to rely on one single mega fight so's the sport is "saved" from the state you seem to want to ignore because it hurts your feelings or whatever.

That state.

You know, the state - "The fight to save boxing."

The state in which boxing's put ITSELF in.

That one.

The one MMA had nothing to do with but people like you love to use as a copout and get your panties in a bunch over. That one. Believe it's by Idaho or something.

[Palma]

Originally Posted by Subj. & Noise Chopped

Yea, the state being having to rely on one single mega fight so's the sport is "saved" from the state you seem to want to ignore because it hurts your feelings or whatever.

That state.

You know, the state - "The fight to save boxing."

The state in which boxing's put ITSELF in.

That one.

You act as if the promoters themselve titled the fight "the fight to save boxing" That was coined by the journalists who only get paid if they have something to write about.

I admit that the HW division is the worst it has ever been, but the lighter weights have as much talent and fans as they ever have.

[Mastiff_owner]

not about boxing v mma debate. when I first posted the article I even stated that there was no mention of mma in the article. I thought it might go there eventually but oh well.

Out of curiosity how many boxing analysts have you heard talk about the state of boxing. Trust me boxing is in a bad way. just 5 years ago I would have 5 or 6 parties a year that were dedicated to boxing events. There are no more stars other than DLH. I think that articles like this need to be written to wake the boxing community the fuck up.

lackluster fights that don't put fans in the seats are ultimately what is going to bring boxing down. They have no way to attract new fans.

[Palma]

Originally Posted by Mastiff_owner

not about boxing v mma debate. when I first posted the article I even stated that there was no mention of mma in the article. I thought it might go there eventually but oh well.

Out of curiosity how many boxing analysts have you heard talk about the state of boxing. Trust me boxing is in a bad way. just 5 years ago I would have 5 or 6 parties a year that were dedicated to boxing events. There are no more stars other than DLH. I think that articles like this need to be written to wake the boxing community the fuck up.

lackluster fights that don't put fans in the seats are ultimately what is going to bring boxing down. They have no way to attract new fans.

There are tons of great light weight boxers. As many as there have ever been. The state is different because there are no great HW bouts, which attracts the casual fan more then the ligther weights.

[Noise Chopped]

Great lightweight boxers - You mean the handful the casual fan might or might not recognize? There's a great breed out there, but that's not the problems boxing has. The surpluss of talent is not boxings' problem - It's how the sports' managed to (or hasn't managed to) promote them, fight them, and showcase them. John Duddy vs. Bustamante? .

The fact boxing still has great talent won't ever go away, but the sports popularity and mismanagement (on all fronts) has put the state of boxing where it is today. Brian Kenny doesn't call most of the belts (of which there are like, six thousand for every division) "trinkets" for nothing.

Frankly, I think ESPN's been doing as good a job as it can trying to "save" boxing. Throwing a life preserver in the form of releasing fights from its "ESPN Classics" archive is probably the best it can do. Hell, the Peterson Bros. put on a more aesthetically pleasing (for the casual fan) fight just this week than boxings' recent overpriced PPV.