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[killerinstinct]

Originally Posted by TheBonger

Its not denial its alittle something I like to call reality. Any non-biased MMA fan that watched that fight knows Forrest one. I dont care about Tito's so-called injuries or whatever other excuses he has. He lost that fight its that simple and it doesnt take three judge scorecards for most everyone to know that. Not really a point worth aruging anymore. But in most peoples minds Forrest won and he obviously has a chance to be a future champ, depending on how much he can improve and become more polished. I for one would defiently like to see he get another crack at Tito as im sure many others would. But by the time this happens im sure Tito will have already been exposed for what he is, an overrated overhyped product of dana white and his desire to make the most money at whatever cost. I have seen alot of people up here saying they think Tito is "in his prime" well i would like someone to show me some proof of that? After beating a flat tire of a ken shamrock and losing to Forrest can someone please tell me how he is better now then he was?

ps. I really hope big mouth keeps another fight with Chuck , eventhough i know that wont shut him up it will atleast embarrass the disrespectful sob.

Perfectly said.

[ArMnHC]

Originally Posted by TheBonger

Its not denial its alittle something I like to call reality. Any non-biased MMA fan that watched that fight knows Forrest one. I dont care about Tito's so-called injuries or whatever other excuses he has. He lost that fight its that simple and it doesnt take three judge scorecards for most everyone to know that. Not really a point worth aruging anymore. But in most peoples minds Forrest won and he obviously has a chance to be a future champ, depending on how much he can improve and become more polished. I for one would defiently like to see he get another crack at Tito as im sure many others would. But by the time this happens im sure Tito will have already been exposed for what he is, an overrated overhyped product of dana white and his desire to make the most money at whatever cost. I have seen alot of people up here saying they think Tito is "in his prime" well i would like someone to show me some proof of that? After beating a flat tire of a ken shamrock and losing to Forrest can someone please tell me how he is better now then he was?

ps. I really hope big mouth keeps another fight with Chuck , eventhough i know that wont shut him up it will atleast embarrass the disrespectful sob.

I'm not biased, Tito won. It's still no use being salty about the outcome of that fight. The only thing wrong about the decision was the judge who scored it 30-27. The takedown and the fact that Tito landed more clean shots in the 3rd won him the fight. Go back and watch it again. You are more biased then anyone because you obviously don't like Tito Ortiz. If he is an "overrated, overhyped product of Dana White" like you say he is, then you are saying the same about Matt Hughes, Rich Franklin, and Chuck Liddell...all products of Dana White and all hanging from his nuts. But that's ok, there are a lot of fans like you out there and everyone is entitled to think what they want. But Forrest will never be champ, mark my words. Let him have another fight with Tito, he'll get annihalated!

[Kewl144]

Originally Posted by ArMnHC

I'm not biased, Tito won. It's still no use being salty about the outcome of that fight. The only thing wrong about the decision was the judge who scored it 30-27. The takedown and the fact that Tito landed more clean shots in the 3rd won him the fight. Go back and watch it again. You are more biased then anyone because you obviously don't like Tito Ortiz. If he is an "overrated, overhyped product of Dana White" like you say he is, then you are saying the same about Matt Hughes, Rich Franklin, and Chuck Liddell...all products of Dana White and all hanging from his nuts. But that's ok, there are a lot of fans like you out there and everyone is entitled to think what they want. But Forrest will never be champ, mark my words. Let him have another fight with Tito, he'll get annihalated!

Yea Griffin easily lost that fight. And, even to the dismay of all the "tuf kids", Griffin admitted that he didnt win. I still dont see why people get excited and talk about Griffin like he's the second coming of Christ. He only has a stand up game and his punches are sloppy. He's no where near to being in the same league as Tito or any of the other top fighters. And instead of giving him another challenge, we're subjected to Griffin and Bonnar 2 (and no the first fight wasnt one of the greatest fights of all time no matter how many times Rogan shills that for Spike tv. I've seen better technique and a better fight between two alley cats).

[paintstik]

I thought it was pretty clear to everyone who watched the fight that Forrest put up a good show but clearly lost the 1st and 3rd rounds. Tito did actually land more clean and hard shots than Forrest for most of the fight too.

[killerinstinct]

Originally Posted by ArMnHC

I'm not biased, Tito won. It's still no use being salty about the outcome of that fight. The only thing wrong about the decision was the judge who scored it 30-27. The takedown and the fact that Tito landed more clean shots in the 3rd won him the fight. Go back and watch it again. You are more biased then anyone because you obviously don't like Tito Ortiz. If he is an "overrated, overhyped product of Dana White" like you say he is, then you are saying the same about Matt Hughes, Rich Franklin, and Chuck Liddell...all products of Dana White and all hanging from his nuts. But that's ok, there are a lot of fans like you out there and everyone is entitled to think what they want. But Forrest will never be champ, mark my words. Let him have another fight with Tito, he'll get annihalated!

Hughes,Franklin,and Chuck are different b/c they've defended their titles against top competition.You don't see Chuck giving Elvis Sinocic any title fights do you?

[ArMnHC]

Originally Posted by killerinstinct

Hughes,Franklin,and Chuck are different b/c they've defended their titles against top competition.You don't see Chuck giving Elvis Sinocic any title fights do you?

I'm sure if Dana White told Chuck to fight Elvis, he would...

[supermark21]

Originally Posted by ArMnHC

I'm sure if Dana White told Chuck to fight Elvis, he would...

chuck would fight anyone though. im sure if tito had to fight wand in the present he wouldnt. thats the reason chucks a good champ. for everyone that says chuck isnt shit and that hes gonna get ko'd i say hell, give him credit for accepting it and stepping in there if nothing else

i think that dana sees the potential for forest to reach out to fans as an all around likeable guy and they will feed him easy fights until theres a champ in there that he has a shot against. hed be a great ambassador

[ArMnHC]

Originally Posted by supermark21

chuck would fight anyone though. im sure if tito had to fight wand in the present he wouldnt. thats the reason chucks a good champ. for everyone that says chuck isnt shit and that hes gonna get ko'd i say hell, give him credit for accepting it and stepping in there if nothing else

i think that dana sees the potential for forest to reach out to fans as an all around likeable guy and they will feed him easy fights until theres a champ in there that he has a shot against. hed be a great ambassador

Tito recently said in a video interview that if Wand beats Chuck, he'd love to fight him again. It was on sherdog and was a pre-WFA video.

[TheBonger]

Originally Posted by ArMnHC

Tito recently said in a video interview that if Wand beats Chuck, he'd love to fight him again. It was on sherdog and was a pre-WFA video.

yes and thankfully if tito does grow some balls and step in with the winner of Wand/Chuck that will be tito's last major or "important" fight cause he cant beat chuck and Wand is obviously a different fighter then when they fought the 1st time. If Tito made it over 90 seconds with todays Wandy it would be a good accomplishment, And no maybe how much u nuthug tito any decent MMA fan knows he didnt beat Forrest and he cant beat Chuck or Wandy of today. Sorry but Tito's glory days are over.

[ArMnHC]

Originally Posted by TheBonger

yes and thankfully if tito does grow some balls and step in with the winner of Wand/Chuck that will be tito's last major or "important" fight cause he cant beat chuck and Wand is obviously a different fighter then when they fought the 1st time. If Tito made it over 90 seconds with todays Wandy it would be a good accomplishment, And no maybe how much u nuthug tito any decent MMA fan knows he didnt beat Forrest and he cant beat Chuck or Wandy of today. Sorry but Tito's glory days are over.

LMAO, you need to lighten up dude. I stick with the fighters I like. And I'm a fan of Tito, so I'm sticking with him. But when the fighters I like lose, I have no problem facing it. Tito did not lose to Forrest! Get over it already. Even Forrest himself says he lost. You just simply hate Tito for whatever reason. All the "decent" MMA fans you are eluding to, paid attention to that fight and know Tito pulled out a close decision. I'm not even saying Tito won the fight in dominating fashion. He won the first and third rounds, therefore he won the fight. Just grow up, and instead of bashing fighters you don't like, try and enjoy the sport itself. and be happy you have fighters to cream over (Forrest) and hate with all your soul (Tito).