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[dagreat1]

Originally Posted by Clint

Where did you come up with 18 million dollars in Profit for each PPV? That sounds like a reasonable number for total income but not profit.

It is right around that figure, the averaging in Franklin vs the Crow PPV may bring every so slightly under $18 mill.... How much overhead do you think UFC is shelling out? Not much, if PRIDE is paying $200,000-$250,000 for production UFC is paying less than that, then you have Fighter salaries which UFC has not even reached $800,000 combined (even with the Royce $400,000 salary), not sure how much they pay for renting the builing for the night but it is no more than $100,000 plus they are making some of that back in concession and t-shirts, sweatshirts, etc. (not a ton of it back but probably $50,000-$75,000) so they are paying $1 million or just over that and bringing in $18-20+ so net is certainly at $18 million on average (if the $11 million dollar PPV was thrown out so average is brought down just slightly say to $17 million but that number is deceaving because the Franklin vs Crow event brought in so little compared to the others).

That is also not including the sponsors as I have never seen any figures for what UFC is payed by them.

Everything considdered, they are still making $18 million per event.

I am not hating on Dana, he has contributed vastly to improving UFC and the sport in general, I would just like to see him reward the fans a little more and not take them for granted with cards like UFC 62 as the fans are obviously responsible for the UFC's success.

I know this site is 85%-90% UFC fans and will ride the Dana White penis and commend him for any card he and Silva put together but the UFC has great fighters and when I see cards like UFC 62 where there are so many great names NOT included that have not fought in a minute, it is a tell tale sign that there is a problem within the organization and someone needs to be fired, IMO Joe Silva.

[Kimuras"R"Us]

I have to agree with saying 62 looks terrible. When I saw (on this site) that new fights were added I was optimistic, then read the fights and actually said "what the fuck" out loud. I don't know how anyone can say 62 looks better on paper than 61. Needless to say I'll be at Hooters for this one as opposed to PPV's that I'm excited about (like 60) where I order them so i can pay close attention.

[Clint]

Originally Posted by dagreat1

It is right around that figure, the averaging in Franklin vs the Crow PPV may bring every so slightly under $18 mill.... How much overhead do you think UFC is shelling out? Not much, if PRIDE is paying $200,000-$250,000 for production UFC is paying less than that, then you have Fighter salaries which UFC has not even reached $800,000 combined (even with the Royce $400,000 salary), not sure how much they pay for renting the builing for the night but it is no more than $100,000 plus they are making some of that back in concession and t-shirts, sweatshirts, etc. (not a ton of it back but probably $50,000-$75,000) so they are paying $1 million or just over that and bringing in $18-20+ so net is certainly at $18 million on average (if the $11 million dollar PPV was thrown out so average is brought down just slightly say to $17 million but that number is deceaving because the Franklin vs Crow event brought in so little compared to the others).

That is also not including the sponsors as I have never seen any figures for what UFC is payed by them.

Everything considdered, they are still making $18 million per event.

I am not hating on Dana, he has contributed vastly to improving UFC and the sport in general, I would just like to see him reward the fans a little more and not take them for granted with cards like UFC 62 as the fans are obviously responsible for the UFC's success.

I know this site is 85%-90% UFC fans and will ride the Dana White penis and commend him for any card he and Silva put together but the UFC has great fighters and when I see cards like UFC 62 where there are so many great names NOT included that have not fought in a minute, it is a tell tale sign that there is a problem within the organization and someone needs to be fired, IMO Joe Silva.

The $18 million is GROSS ppv revenue if you are using the MMA Weekly article. The cable company takes 40-60% of the price of each ppv buy. So that breaks down the ppv income to about $9million.

As for costs, The venue costs more than $100, 000 to rent. I would guess that the venue takes about half of the paid attendance (I belive paid attendance is around 2mil) So now the UFC has 10million income. THey still have to pay for:
Crews to put up/take down the cage and whatnot

NSAC fees

Insurance - They are required a minimum level of insurance by the NSAC, but I don't remember what it is. We can figure that insurance isn't cheap though

Referees, Judges, Doctors, Emergency Personell

The UFC pays the fighters medical bills in almost all cases - this might be covered by the insurance

Advertising - I imagin this is a big chunck of money

Lawyers for contract negotiations and whatnot

Other staff - web designers, secretaries, etc - this isn't a bog expense though once it's spread accross all of the shows.


Everything said and done, they are making money but not the HUGE sums of money that people claim they are making.

[Clint]

Also I agree 62 looks rough on paper but like other peopel have said 61 looked great on paper and simply didn't turn out. You just never know how the events are going to turn out.

[killerinstinct]

Originally Posted by dagreat1

I however, have a response for your's...

Comparing Bonnar, griffin, franca, neer, and Kongo to AA (at the time we thought he was Pride material), Tito, Monson, Mir, Shamrock (HUGE name nonetheless) and Sylvia (GOD compared to any of the names you mentioned aside from Chuck and Babalu). The UFC 62 names are underlined an yet the UFC 61 names still standout more so.

I can tell you are buying anything UFC is selling, that is your downfall and the metality of others but there are plenty of people that would agree with what I am saying and they don't like the card either, it is shit.

You have been unable to make any valid points (or counterpoints to any of may statements) and I have raped any attempted validation you have brought forth.

No Big deal, I just don't understand your thought process and how you feel UFC 61 was garbage on paper and UFC 62 "looks good"?

How the hell can you say that 61 looked better on paper than 62?61 was headlined by Tito/Shamock(a fight everyone knows that Tito is going to win) and AA/Sylvia.Mir's return was an added bonus.How the hell is that better than the rematch of what many people consider one of the best fights in history(Griffin/bonnar),Chuck Liddell vs. Babalu,andNeer,Kongo,Franca in action?The UFC couldn't help it that Fisher got injured,Terrell got "sick",and Kenflo needed more time.This was going to be an extremely stacked card ,but right now it's still a good card way better than 61.That's obvious.

[killerinstinct]

Originally Posted by Clint

Also I agree 62 looks rough on paper but like other peopel have said 61 looked great on paper and simply didn't turn out. You just never know how the events are going to turn out.

How'd 61 look great on paper?

[Alvin]

Originally Posted by killerinstinct

How'd 61 look great on paper?

Read my last post. Then respond!

[killerinstinct]

Originally Posted by Alvin

Wait, I'm with the other guy here. UFC61 was supposed to be a good card with the rematch of one of the UFC's biggest ever fights as well as a HW showcase.

But my point is how can you say UFC61 looked poor on paper whereas UFC 62 looks good, citing Hermes Franca, Neer and Kongo as the reasons?

These three all appearered at UFC61 as well!?!?!?!?!?

Also I am sceptical how you think UFC63, 64 & 65 look great, when as far as I know there has been no word on these cards outside of web forum/rumour pages?

Which great matches will be on UFC63?
Which great matches will be on UFC64?
Which great matches will be on UFC65?

Babalu vs. Chuck and Bonnar vs. Griffin is way better than Tito(over rated) vs. Ken(has been) and AA vs. Sylvia.How can you think other wise.62 looks to have some exciting fights.When 62 comes out it will be obvious that it is better than 61.How can it be worse???

I said 63,64,65 look great so far.Some of the fights for these ppvs are confirmed like GSP vs. Hughes. http://www.mmaweekly.com/rumors.asp

[Alvin]

Originally Posted by killerinstinct

Babalu vs. Chuck and Bonnar vs. Griffin is way better than Tito(over rated) vs. Ken(has been) and AA vs. Sylvia.How can you think other wise.62 looks to have some exciting fights.When 62 comes out it will be obvious that it is better than 61.How can it be worse???

I said 63,64,65 look great so far.Some of the fights for these ppvs are confirmed like GSP vs. Hughes. http://www.mmaweekly.com/rumors.asp

No, you misunderstood. I'm totally with you saying Chuck Vs Babalu is a better fight "on paper" than Tim Vs AA (although, that "on paper" was an awesome fight), although I still say anyone who does not detest Tito as much as you would put Tito Vs Ken above Griffin Vs Bonnar (even with the obvious outcome). However you still had Mir fighting & the No1 HW contender fighting as well as Yves Edwards Vs TUF2 winner Stevenson.

However, what you said was that on paper UFC61 was poor & UFC 62 looks good cos it has Franca, Neer & Kongo. These three were on your "poor" UFC61 so how can they be the reasons for your "great" UFC62?