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[Dsm634]

To sum up this thread, every person has this to say to the guy who started it:

Originally Posted by AJL416AZ

you are a complete retard

Fine not everybody, but I think that is the general consensus.

Maybe not, but c'mon man, most of those guys are nearly legends.

[WandAXE]

I would agree with you with Randy and Rizzo, but I wouldnt say top 5 of all time you forgot Tank, Sapp, Baroni, Royce ( I know Terrell would woop my ass for sayn that) and last but not least Fuck all MIKE SWICK.

[Mastiff_owner]

Originally Posted by WandAXE

I would agree with you with Randy and Rizzo, but I wouldnt say top 5 of all time you forgot Tank, Sapp, Baroni, Royce ( I know Terrell would woop my ass for sayn that) and last but not least Fuck all MIKE SWICK.

Tank,Sapp,and baroni I agree with. Not so much Royce just because of his legendary status as a pioneer in my mind. As far as Swick goes i would say he is prob one of the most hyped but as far as i am concerned he is not even rated. Not enough fights against quality competition. He probably has the tools but not the fights.

[WandAXE]

Originally Posted by Mastiff_owner

Tank,Sapp,and baroni I agree with. Not so much Royce just because of his legendary status as a pioneer in my mind. As far as Swick goes i would say he is prob one of the most hyped but as far as i am concerned he is not even rated. Not enough fights against quality competition. He probably has the tools but not the fights.

The thing with Royce is that he was the weakest Gracie and he just showed how to grapple against guya with mullets and karate instructors. On that note I forgot to say KIMO.

[CHUCKtheCHAMP]

Originally Posted by WandAXE

I would agree with you with Randy and Rizzo, but I wouldnt say top 5 of all time you forgot Tank, Sapp, Baroni, Royce ( I know Terrell would woop my ass for sayn that) and last but not least Fuck all MIKE SWICK.

HOW CAN ANYONE SAY RANDY COUTURE IS OVER RATED...HE HELD TITLES IN 2 DIFF. WHEIGHT CLASSES 2 DIFF. TIMES..HE IS AND WILL ALWAYS BE A BAD ASS IN MY BOOK...AND RIZZO IS A KNOCKOUT ARTIST...HE MIGHT BE ALITTLE OVER RATED BUT DEFF.. NOT TOP 5!!

[WandAXE]

Originally Posted by CHUCKtheCHAMP

HOW CAN ANYONE SAY RANDY COUTURE IS OVER RATED...HE HELD TITLES IN 2 DIFF. WHEIGHT CLASSES 2 DIFF. TIMES..HE IS AND WILL ALWAYS BE A BAD ASS IN MY BOOK...AND RIZZO IS A KNOCKOUT ARTIST...HE MIGHT BE ALITTLE OVER RATED BUT DEFF.. NOT TOP 5!!

Its hard to say Randy is as great as every one says he is he aint no top 5 , but he is overrated. The only notible win I would give him is Chuck other than that who else? Dont say Tito because he was definately on the decline.

[AJL416AZ]

i don't know how Baroni is overrated, unless you count how he talks about himself. he's not that good, and nobody talks like he's god. he's not fuckin' Brandon Vera for God's sake

overrated would mean that everyone likes him, but nobody gives him a chance unless he fights a complete can, which he has yet to do in Pride

he's an exciting fighter, and he does his job entertaining the crowd. He's knocked out some of the better MWs, and i like him.

[killerinstinct]

Originally Posted by WandAXE

Its hard to say Randy is as great as every one says he is he aint no top 5 , but he is overrated. The only notible win I would give him is Chuck other than that who else? Dont say Tito because he was definately on the decline.

Vitor Belfort twice,Chuck Liddell,Jeremy Horn,Kevin Randleman(that's kind of pushing it ,but there was a weight difference so I'll give him credit.),Pedro Rizzo,T.K.,Tito Ortiz, and Mike Van Arsdale.he has some great wins and is one of the best ever.This is a guy who used to dominate fighters bigger than him all the time.

I didn't even mention Maurice Smith and Pete Williams(those are saying a whole lot though)

[CHUCKtheCHAMP]

Originally Posted by WandAXE

Its hard to say Randy is as great as every one says he is he aint no top 5 , but he is overrated. The only notible win I would give him is Chuck other than that who else? Dont say Tito because he was definately on the decline.

OK I WONT SAY TITO... BUT HE BEAT VITOR TWICE... RIZZO TWICE...RANDELMAN... RANDY IS NOT OVERRATED...ANY MAN WHO WINS THE BELT 2 TIMES IN 2 DIFF.. WHIEGHT CLASSES IS NOT OVERRATED BY ANY MEANS...

[Mastiff_owner]

Originally Posted by WandAXE

The thing with Royce is that he was the weakest Gracie and he just showed how to grapple against guya with mullets and karate instructors. On that note I forgot to say KIMO.

Exactly he is the weakest Gracie so how better to introduce your brand of martial arts to the world than to send your weakest student that looks like a friggin bony ass librarian. If anything he was underrated at the time because noone watching thought for a second he had a chance. By the way it worked because just about EVERYONE in mma uses some kind of submission training in their workout. Whether its bjj, sambo, judo or whatever. Oh yeah Kimo WAY overrated.