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[killerinstinct]

I wouldn't say Royce was the weakest Gracie.I'd say it's Caesar.Good trainer ,but defianetly not one of the better Gracies.

[Afro]

LOL Ortiz is still just a wrestler

[electrorock]

Originally Posted by MMAPIMP

Lately i was thinkin who is the most over rated people in mma and i have came to this conclusion:
in order
1) Randy couture-he had decent fights but that doesnt make him a good fighter. All he was ,was a wresltler that cold could take people down and love tap them. He has terrible record and was a c level fighter.
2) Frank shamrock-i admit back in the day he was good. but he was just the well rounded fighter. when everybody else started traing for both satndup and on the feet he retired. ortiz was just a wresler and he did prety good as wrestler. ortiz would donimate him now that hes more well rounded.
3)pedro rizzo- he never faced good competion and it showed when he went topride he got smashed on.
4)ken slamcock- thats obivous you alredy know he overrated.
5)gomi- he still hasnt proved to me that he not that good. penn smashd on him and i just dont think he is that good.
so what do you guys think of this? and whats your top 5 overrated?

you have just proved your mma stupidity.... and that your are even bad at trolling? no one will take anything your eva write seriously on this page again....smart move pimp

[killerinstinct]

Originally Posted by MMAPIMP

Lately i was thinkin who is the most over rated people in mma and i have came to this conclusion:
in order
1) Randy couture-he had decent fights but that doesnt make him a good fighter. All he was ,was a wresltler that cold could take people down and love tap them. He has terrible record and was a c level fighter.
2) Frank shamrock-i admit back in the day he was good. but he was just the well rounded fighter. when everybody else started traing for both satndup and on the feet he retired. ortiz was just a wresler and he did prety good as wrestler. ortiz would donimate him now that hes more well rounded.
3)pedro rizzo- he never faced good competion and it showed when he went topride he got smashed on.
4)ken slamcock- thats obivous you alredy know he overrated.
5)gomi- he still hasnt proved to me that he not that good. penn smashd on him and i just dont think he is that good.
so what do you guys think of this? and whats your top 5 overrated?

Randy Couture is a 2 time HW and LHW champ.

Frank Shamrock in no way should be at number 2.he's a good fighter

Pedro Rizzo has KOed Vernon White,Tank Abbott,Tra Telligman,Dan Severn,Josh Barnett,andAndrei Arlovski.He's fought and beat some good fighters he won a descions against Ricco Rodriguez and Mark Coleman.He's beat some top guys and he used to rearange his opponents faces with his KO punches.He had some wars with Randy Couture.How could you not like him?Just watch some of his fights

Ken maybe over rated.

Gomi???Takanori "The Fireball Kid" Gomi???I may be stealing this from Kemo ,but it defiantely applys in this situation.


alwasy remembar

[dagreat1]

Originally Posted by WandAXE

The thing with Royce is that he was the weakest Gracie and he just showed how to grapple against guya with mullets and karate instructors. On that note I forgot to say KIMO.

I dissagree with Royce neing the weakest Gracie, IMO he was the #2 Gracie all along. Rickson being #1, look at what Sak did to all fo the Gracies he fought, Royce gave him the best match as it took 1.5 hrs to end and it certainly looked like Sak tapped from the Guillotuine but regardless, Sak dominated the otehr Gracies and was nowhere near danger in any of those fights except the Royce fight. I never bought the whole Gracie family saying we sent our weakest fighter to prove a point, they knew he was #2 the entire time.

[WandAXE]

Originally Posted by dagreat1

I dissagree with Royce neing the weakest Gracie, IMO he was the #2 Gracie all along. Rickson being #1, look at what Sak did to all fo the Gracies he fought, Royce gave him the best match as it took 1.5 hrs to end and it certainly looked like Sak tapped from the Guillotuine but regardless, Sak dominated the otehr Gracies and was nowhere near danger in any of those fights except the Royce fight. I never bought the whole Gracie family saying we sent our weakest fighter to prove a point, they knew he was #2 the entire time.

At that time Royce was in better fighting shape than the older guys Im talkin about out of the Gracie JJ family Royce was the weakest won at that point in time thats why they put him in the first UFC to showcase how there weakest guy can tap out whoevers the best at there own style .

[Mastiff_owner]

Well said and i agree Wand

[startrak]

Haha Gomi is DEFINITELY not overrated. He has been ripping it up in the LW division - his loss to Aurelio was unfortunate, but look at how Ishida manhandled Aurelio...Auerlio isn't very good either.

I'd say Randy Couture is kind of overrated, not as much as say Pedro Rizzo, Arlovski, and Slyvia (well he's not rated very high is he). Shamrock is pretty overrated but he was there from day one with Royce so gotta give him credit for being part of the development of the sport.

Murlio Ninja was pretty overrated before the Kang fight.

[Legend]

Originally Posted by MMAPIMP

Lately i was thinkin who is the most over rated people in mma and i have came to this conclusion:
in order
1) Randy couture-he had decent fights but that doesnt make him a good fighter. All he was ,was a wresltler that cold could take people down and love tap them. He has terrible record and was a c level fighter.
2) Frank shamrock-i admit back in the day he was good. but he was just the well rounded fighter. when everybody else started traing for both satndup and on the feet he retired. ortiz was just a wresler and he did prety good as wrestler. ortiz would donimate him now that hes more well rounded.
3)pedro rizzo- he never faced good competion and it showed when he went topride he got smashed on.
4)ken slamcock- thats obivous you alredy know he overrated.
5)gomi- he still hasnt proved to me that he not that good. penn smashd on him and i just dont think he is that good.
so what do you guys think of this? and whats your top 5 overrated?

Why are you such a douche?

[doublea]

1) Tito Ortiz
2) Ken Shamrock
3) Tito Ortiz
4) Ken Shamrock
5) Tie (Tito Ortiz and Ken Shamrock)