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I don't know what it is about Tim Sylvia, but I just want to see him lose. I'm trying to come to terms with the fact that whatever my reasons for not liking him are, I have to accept, he's the champ. He's beat some good fighters, I just can't figure out how. But he must be better than he appears. Props to Tim Sylvia.

[killerinstinct]

Originally Posted by AJL416AZ

Fedor is definitely not the only HW that can beat Tim.

Mark Hunt can punch his bizarre facial hair off
Cro Cop can decapitate him with the left leg
Aleksander Emelianenko could stomp him
Mark Coleman could GnP a decision or a TKO
Sergei Kharitonov would fuck him up
Barnett would flatten him, GnP or submit him
Big Nog would run a BJJ clinic on it, and probably outbox him.
AA with a strong game plan, sharp mentality, and no injuries could do it again


hughes weighs about 190 w/o losing fight weight. tim sylvia fights about 265. never happen man. Tito would get stomped too, he walks about 220.

Fedor would beat Hughes I agree.

Mark Hunt might give Sylvia a lot of trouble.Hunt littlerally has an iron jaw ,but he's only 5'10 so he'd have some trouble.It would be a close fight.

Crocop wouldn't decapitate Time with a left leg.He'd probably fuck Tim up with body kicks.Yeah I'd be leaning torward Crocop ,but it certainly wouldn't be a walk in the park ,especially if Tim came out aggressively like he has in the past.

Aleksander wouldn't stomp him.Good fight I'd be leaning torward Tim.

Mark Coleman wouldn't stand much of a chance.No way he could eat one of Sylvia's jabs.

I don't think Sergei Kharitonov could defeat him

Barnett would probably beat him ,but Tim would have a punchers chance.

Big Nog would beat him.

AA can't beat Tim.He lost twice get over it.

Tito and matt would get murdered ,b/c of the size difference.

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jeff monson is going to break silvia in half!

[killerinstinct]

I doubt that Monson will put up much offense.

[matto]

i would love to see monson or anybody just destroy tim sylvia, but there is a huge reach difference, i think tim is like a foot taller. but when i fight somebody really really short i often hit their forehead and its probably hurts me more then it hurts them and that might happen between them, if monson gets it to the ground it would be cool to see him make tim tapp. i was really excited to hear vera vs. mir. mir one of the best submissionist out there and vera on a great impressive streak. but i hope mir will sence up and lose some weight so he can be in better shape and be the old frank mir. hard fight to call, both top hws. vera has the edge on the feet with his excellent kicks and knees but is great with subs on the ground, but mir is better on the ground so ud expect to see vera try and keeping the fight standing.

[matto]

if wand beats barnett or nog, then he would probably be the closest fight for fedor, since he already beat cro cop, and destroys all other lhw, nog and cro cop and barnett the top heavyweights just under fedor and if wand beats nog or barnett who ever it will be, he should have a good chance aginst fedor, or atleast the best chance from anyone. the size isnt that different. fedor only being 1 inch taller and weighing 233 with obious flab that he could cut off if he really wanted to and would weigh around 220 just like wand does. everybody is saying that fedor is unbeatable but id give wand a chance.

[dagreat1]

Originally Posted by matto

if wand beats barnett or nog, then he would probably be the closest fight for fedor, since he already beat cro cop, and destroys all other lhw, nog and cro cop and barnett the top heavyweights just under fedor and if wand beats nog or barnett who ever it will be, he should have a good chance aginst fedor, or atleast the best chance from anyone. the size isnt that different. fedor only being 1 inch taller and weighing 233 with obious flab that he could cut off if he really wanted to and would weigh around 220 just like wand does. everybody is saying that fedor is unbeatable but id give wand a chance.

It is difficult to give anyone a chance against Fedor, he throws 250 lb HW's around like rag-dolls and has the nastiest GNG MMA has ever seen. Wandy is amazing but I don't think he would do much damage, I think most of the offense would be coming from Fedor via GNP or a KO if he decided to bang with Wandy.

I personally like the flab on Fedor, it is evidence that you don't need to look like Kerr, Coleman or Randleman to be the best fighter in the world, also I think the flab helps him add more power to his punches and is more effective for his wrestling.

[TheBonger]

Originally Posted by Hypergit

just to beat a dead horse...

1st win vs AA was sheer luck. 2nd win I am convinced was due to AA's injury - fair enough though he did beat AA twice.

and a fresh horse...

He didn't even notice his arm was broken (two totally snapped bones too).

I have broken various bones during contact sports over a dozen times, and although I wanted to continue sometimes with a broken finger or nose etc, I noticed every one of them despite the adrenaline. Especially the bad breaks. Sylvia is also known to be partial to drug use. Oh, but only so he could get a six-pack he says...

Due to these reasons and many others including his attitude and skill, I will still be bashing Tim.

Monson will submit him imo.

git.

are you serious? Alright everything I say is in the mind that u are actually serious and not making a joke, which it what it seems like. 1st Win vs AA sheer luck eh? So bouncing right back up from a shot like that and knocking someone the fuck out is sheer luck?? Ok the 3rd fight is what it is, maybe AA's "injury" cost him the fight but thats like saying Shamrocks "injury" cost him the first Tito fight. Injury or not he lost and there is no way to know what would have happened otherwise. AA hasnt used it as a crouch to why he lost and that in my mind gains him alot of respect. He didnt even notice his arm was broke? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!!! Aside from the stomach turning view of the arm snapping and there is always a horrible sound with these kind of breaks. And say he didnt hear it, you dont think he felt it? come on now surely you can come on with something better then that.

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I for one don't understand all the hate for Sylvia. He came out of nowhere to defeat Ricco Rodriguez, back then the UFC Heavyweight Champion, one of the top heavyweight fighters in the world, and heavily favored. Not only does Sylvia beat him, he knocks him out in the first round. Ricco's not the same since. Defends his title against the one guy who's bigger than him, and proceeds to knock him out.

Sure he got caught with the 'roids, but he man'd up and admitted it when confronted about it, so he relinquishes his belt. People make mistakes. Something like this will usually derail someone's career or legacy. Ask Bonds, McGwire, or Palmeiro. How about Ben Johnson?

Sylvia hits a bad stretch in 2004/early 2005, coming back from his suspension and getting his arm broken by Frank Mir. He comes back, destroys Wes Sims at Superbrawl, then has to tap in less than a minute to Andrei Arlovski. This last loss, especially one so quick and humiliating and uncompetitive, could also derail someone's career. Tim defies the odds and comes back again, knocking out Tra Telligman with a surprise roundhouse to the head and pounding Assuerio Silva for three rounds for a decision win. He earns yet another title shot, and ironically finds himself in nearly the same place he did earlier, facing a heavily favored, top 5 champion in Arlovski once again. Sylvia does the unthinkable and knocks him out. Then he defeats him again in the rematch, winning their trilogy.

Guys who've made comebacks like this to climb back to the top of the mountain are typically lionized in boxing. Hell, Barnett is pretty much well-loved, and he was roided up for his title win too. They say Sylvia is an ass, too cocky and such. I dunno, but if you've overcome the odds like he did, size advantage or no, supposed "lack of skill" notwithstanding, I think you deserve to talk shit.

There's a guy in boxing right now who's come back to beat the odds time and time again, and has established a bona fide legacy. He's had controversy in his career again, and has a supposed "lack of skill". Yet this man is practically universally loved. That man is Arturo Gatti.

[Hypergit]

Originally Posted by TheBonger

are you serious??

Yes.

Originally Posted by TheBonger

1st Win vs AA sheer luck eh? So bouncing right back up from a shot like that and knocking someone the fuck out is sheer luck??

In my opinion, yes - Sheer luck. You disagree and that is fine - I will not try to convince you otherwise, but I will offer my reasoning:

Sylvia did not attack AA once in that fight, he was just eating AA’s attacks and occasionally connecting with a counter (law of averages, not pinpoint counters). He got knocked to the floor, ate a few shots, then got up wobbling like a drunk and AA sprinted onto an ugly-as-sin punch. Sylvia flopped on top of him and tapped the back of his head a few times for a stoppage. You call that bouncing right back up and KTFOing AA, I call it luck.

Why was it lucky? Because 2/3 times AA is finishing the fight when Sylvia hits the deck there, and Sylvia’s KO blow was no better that a 1/10 fluke (1/10 is extremely generous). 1/10 * 1/3 = approx 3% chance Sylvia had to get the KO right after getting knocked down, and that’s being very kind indeed.

Originally Posted by TheBonger

Ok the 3rd fight is what it is, maybe AA's "injury" cost him the fight but thats like saying Shamrocks "injury" cost him the first Tito fight. Injury or not he lost and there is no way to know what would have happened otherwise.

lol – you are using Shamrock’s injury excuse as an analogy. Can you introduce me to your dealer please, because only the contents of your bong could have baked that one up.

AA won that fight 3-2 in my book, many people agreed, also many thought 3-2 sylvia. The general consensus was that Sylvia should have won by virtue of him being champion thus retaining his belt in a close call despite not attacking once in the fight (I can’t remember which round was disputable, and I sure as hell aren’t watching the fight again to find out lol, but it was 2-2 with 1 close round).

AA was planning to destroy Sylvia’s legs, take him down and submit him. The plan was working, and it was clear to all that 1 or 2 more leg kicks would have brought him down. At that point AA didn’t kick even 1 more time because his leg was knackered. I believe him - if you don’t then perhaps you could explain why he abandoned a tactic that was working just fine? And why his punch power and movement suddenly lost their form at that exact same time?

AA nearly won that fight (and would have if he were champion) despite being badly injured. Sylvia fought like crap, as usual. You are right that there is no way to know what might have happened, which is why I said ‘fair enough, he beat AA twice.’

Originally Posted by TheBonger

He didnt even notice his arm was broke? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!!! Aside from the stomach turning view of the arm snapping and there is always a horrible sound with these kind of breaks. And say he didnt hear it, you dont think he felt it? come on now surely you can come on with something better then that.

No, I am not kidding you. It looked to me like he didn’t notice, and he is known to use drugs. If he did notice, he would not have been bitching at the ref for stopping it, and wandering around with his hands on his hips in no apparent pain.

Come on now, surely you can do better than “He must have heard it and felt it” to counter my point that he didn’t. lol.

I don’t care anyway, the man uses drugs, I think he was obviously on drugs then. Maybe he was, maybe he wasn’t. I was only countering from when someone brought that arm incident up as an admirable quality in Tim.

Whatever you say bong, I dislike Tim for many reasons, one being drugs, one being lack of skill, one being attitude. I think my standpoint is reasonable.

git.