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[killerinstinct]

I like Chris Leben and he gets some crap on here.

I hate Tito Ortiz.

[tapper]

hate: chuck liddell, he just reminds me of an italian soccer fan.
love: matt hughes, i just like to watch living legends.
gretzky,jordan,woods. best of the best.

[dagreat1]

Originally Posted by killerinstinct

I like Chris Leben and he gets some crap on here.

I hate Tito Ortiz.

How can you hate one and love the other. To me, they are so much alike, they come from the same backround (broken home, ruff upbringing), have the same attitude and that is why they both fight with the same aggression. For me I can't like one and disslike the other, they are too similar IMO.

[killerinstinct]

Originally Posted by dagreat1

How can you hate one and love the other. To me, they are so much alike, they come from the same backround (broken home, ruff upbringing), have the same attitude and that is why they both fight with the same aggression. For me I can't like one and disslike the other, they are too similar IMO.

totatally different.My problems with Tito really all came from the fact that he ducks fighters than he says he's the best.Chris Leben doesn't duck fighters.Plus Leben used to be with team quest and that's always a plus in my books.

[AJL416AZ]

i love watching Baroni fight. win or lose, he gives everyone a fuckin' show, and thats the kind of figher i love. he'll fight anyone, and go toe to toe and just swing for the fences


i hate fighters like Koscheck, Evans, Arona. anyone who just sits and waits to win, without risking getting subbed or KOd just for another mark on the record. that should never be an acceptable fighter's mentality

[kickass32]

I love it.....more Tito bashing.......
I don't love Tito, but I do think it's laughable at alot of people's hatred towards him....especially Killers...............no matter what the guy does he can't win.......he ducks fights...blah blah blah, he was spoon fed opponents....blah blah blah....his wins over big names only happened 'cause they were young.....blah blah blah....
I love to hear all the double standards when it comes to Tito bashing.......

I'll preface my hate with : I know he is a great fighter, but............ I hate Wanderlai Silva

[LebenTysonTank]

The difference between Leben and Tito is a lot.I hated Tito ever since he disrespected the lions den and started wearing his faggot ass T-shirts.When he was young he just reminded me of a kid or a teenager who watches wrestling to much and imitates Stone Cold with his little middle fingers.Seriously I bet that is where he got that from...it's pathetic.Another thing is Leben has no fear.I see fear in Titos eyes...every time Liddells name is mentioned..."Umm we had a pact..." A pact? What are we fucking girl scouts? The truth is Chuck was the top guy the whole time Tito was champ,and had to take the long hard road to the top,and when he got there Tito cried and wouldnt give him the shot because he was afraid.Chuck kept saying quit being such a pussy there is no pact. Tito "ummm he can say there wasnt a pact thats fine.....umm I wanna look at other options..." Leben does not = Tito. Tito=Koscheck.

[dagreat1]

I don't think the experienced fighters get scared, that would be pretty sad unless you were fighting Fedor, then maybe yes becasue there's a chance you could come out of the fight having to be straw fed for the remainder of your life but Chuck? I would seriously doubt Tito is scared of Chuck or anyone in the LHW division or anyone for that matter, I find it odd you would think that.

Killer is a huge Tito hater, I have come to realize that rather quickly.

Do the Tito haters hate him even more now that he is seemingly laying pipe to Jenna Jameson (they were at the WFA event together so I'm sure he is tapping it)?

[AlCarey]

Easy,
Griffin:No one. I mean no one can match his heart and will.

Tim "The Joke" Sylvia.Can't stand the guy. I would love to see Fedor bring him down. The only drawback that would come with a Fedor and Tim fight is it would only last a minute. Fedor would knock him down and then armbar him in less than 30 seconds.

[duran]

Doctor Phil I am not - just an MMA fan's take on things. I keep reading all the Sylvia hate and here's my guess on some of the reasons. The guy IS rough around the edges. He is no Couture for sure. He does not seem to be the sharpest tool in the shed either. He's got a little doofus going on. Maybe taking shots to his head has affected his hearing which has manifested itself in funny speech (think Matt Hamill). I read a lot about his deprived and poor upbringing. Hearing that, you can guess that he probably wore hand-me-down clothes and took a bath once a week when growing up. He was probably teased a lot in school. Now that he has made himself the heavyweight champion of the world he can wear the belt to Walmart instead of wearing a burlap bag. Also, the guy looks like and is built like a lughead. Hey, he is what he is. It looks like his body is all twisted up. Maybe that is from getting slammed around in training. I recall reading one post that said if he wasn't so big and strong he wouldn't be champ! The guy who posted that probably thinks Bob Sapp is a great fighter. Do you really think Bob Sapp does any technique in a textbook fashion? If Tim Sylvia was built like Brock Lesnar, everyone would be on his nuts in spite of what I wrote earlier. There is no denying the guy trains like a maniac and has heart. Name one other fighter who could have gotten up from AA's punch in that second fight and then come back to win. That was no flash knockdown, boss. AA laid him the fuk out. He exposed AA as mortal not unlike Buster Douglas v. Mike Tyson. As for the steroid abuse in the RR fight, he cheated, got caught, paid the penalty, and ADMITTED IT. No tour de France spandex excuse that he drank whiskey and beer the night before or someone tampered with his sample. He cheated, admitted it, and then won the title back with hard work. Talk to someone who has juiced. It spoils you. Training when off cycle or after you are forced to quit (like when you get locked up) seems like a waste of time because you are not getting the same results. You don't have the same rage and intensity. A lot of guys relapse because they remember how great they felt and how big they got and how fast they recovered when they were on it. Sylvia got clean and then regained the title and has kept it. As an athlete, that speaks a lot to me. The guy is a blue collar American backwoodsman who works hard at his job. If he was folksy and funny like Larry the Cable guy, he would be on Leno, Letterman - hell, Johnny Carson would come from beyond to have him on the couch. He'd also make a mint endorsing everyday, mainstream products. A lot of us will say that being the heavyweight champion of the world comes with acting right, saying the right things the right way, kissing babies, etc. He does lack in that department, but there is no denying he is talented, tough and hard working.