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09-23-2007, 05:01 PM
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| Rank 2007's Upsets
We all know 2007 has been the Twilight Zone for MMA, with big to colossal upsets nearly every month.
I've compiled what I think most will agree are the top 10 upsets of 2007, as follows (they are listed chronologically): 2/24/07 - Nick Diaz def. Takanori Gomi - submission (gogoplata) 1:46 into round 2
2/24/07 - Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou def. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira - KO 0:23 into round 1
3/3/07 - Randy Couture def. Tim Sylvia - unanimous 5 round decision
4/7/07 - Matt Serra def. Georges St. Pierre - TKO, 3:25 into round 1
4/8/07 - Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou def. Ricardo Arona - KO 1:59 into round 1
4/21/07 - Gabriel Gonzaga def. Mirko Cro Cop - KO (head kick) 4:51 into round 1
8/25/07 - Randy Couture def. Gabriel Gonzaga - TKO 1:37 into round 3
9/8/07 - Cheick Kongo def. Mirko Cro Cop - unanimous 3 round decision
9/22/07 - Forrest Griffin def. Mauricio Shogun Rua - submission (RNC) 4:45 into round 3
9/22/07 - Keith Jardine def. Chuck Liddell - split 3 round decision
Now, the hard part is to rank them in order of most surprising/most shocking.
Take into account style, relative age (mostly a factor with Couture), method of finishing, how far into the fight it got, how much of a favorite you feel the loser was, the recent history of the winner and loser, whatever else.
I'm finding it very tough to do. Hell, a lot of people disagree with my #1 and have Gonzaga over Cro Cop as their #1. When you can't even reach general consensus at #1, you know #s 2-10 won't be easy
I've tried to rank them in a logical way. I can see arguments for changing just about every one of my picks, although I am relatively comfortable with my top 4.
I'm interested to see how you all have it. Here is my ranking, with #1 being most surprising/shocking/biggest upset.
10 Sokoudjou over Arona
9 Couture over Gonzaga
8 Jardine over Liddell
7 Couture over Sylvia
6 Kongo over Cro Cop
5 Sokoudjou over Little Nog
4 Diaz over Gomi
3 Griffin over Shogun
2 Gonzaga over Cro Cop
1 Serra over GSP
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09-23-2007, 05:03 PM
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Griffin over Shogun & Chuck vs Jardine should be higher than CC vs GG IMO.
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09-23-2007, 05:05 PM
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good but id have couture and sylvia before lil nog. and swith ur 2 and 3
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09-23-2007, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Bullock Griffin over Shogun & Chuck vs Jardine should be higher than CC vs GG IMO. | Jardine over Chuck is the one fight I think for sure should be higher than I have it, yet I cannot really decide what to move around to accommodate that.
I'm pretty comfortable with 1-4; less so with the bottom 6.
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09-23-2007, 05:10 PM
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10 Couture over Gonzaga (I don't think this one should be on the list IMO)
9 Sokoudjou over Arona
8 Diaz over Gomi
7 Kongo over Cro Cop
6 Couture over Sylvia
5 Sokoudjou over Little Nog
4 Gonzaga over Cro Cop
3 Jardine over Liddell
2 Serra over GSP
1 Griffin over Shogun
That's my list.
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09-23-2007, 05:11 PM
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^^^
Good list.
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09-23-2007, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Diegonightmare Here is my ranking, with #1 being most surprising/shocking/biggest upset.
10 Sokoudjou over Arona
9 Couture over Gonzaga
8 Jardine over Liddell
7 Couture over Sylvia
6 Kongo over Cro Cop
5 Sokoudjou over Little Nog
4 Diaz over Gomi
3 Griffin over Shogun
2 Gonzaga over Cro Cop
1 Serra over GSP | i would swap 4 and 6 thats it, the rest is mint
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09-23-2007, 05:50 PM
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see I still don't get why Serra was such an underdog to GSP. Serra was not an unknown guy... he was a touch matchup for some elite fighters like Karo and BJ, and many ppl would argue that Serra should have got the BJ decision. I understand that GSP was on a tear but Serra was no walk in the park.
CC vs GG was stylistically a bad matchup and I called GG to win that one because I knew it would go to the ground and CC would get terrorized but I didn't expect a LHK KO, which is why the upset was even escalated.
Shogun vs Griffin... Obviously this is an upset, Shogun was more superior to Griffin on the feet and on the ground but clearly when a fighter gases that fast into a fight, u know he undertrained... no excuse at all though... forrest deserved that win and I wish he gets the #1 spot to fight Rampage next.
Kongo/CC... CC should've won, plain and simple but broken rib, crushed nuts, no heart, no passion for fighting yadayadayada... upset nonetheless
Gomi/Diaz - Gomi undertrained... same as shogun gassing situation
Couture/GG and Couture/Sylvia - It's couture... he redefined the word "upset"
Jardine/Liddell - Liddell's game plan was "landing the big right"... smart move chuck
Soko/lil nog and soko/arona - they had no clue what to expect and got beat for that
and what about Alexander and Jardine... that was an upset too! man jardine got his ass beat bad.... very inconsistent fighter he is
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09-23-2007, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by shanil999 see I still don't get why Serra was such an underdog to GSP. Serra was not an unknown guy... he was a touch matchup for some elite fighters like Karo and BJ, and many ppl would argue that Serra should have got the BJ decision. I understand that GSP was on a tear but Serra was no walk in the park. | He came out of nowhere. He did the TUF 4 show and no one was giving him a chance in hell. Even the boss was doubting him. If you look at the first few minutes GSP was winning. If I was going to do my list this will be on the top 3....also Randy vs GG shouldn't be on the list imo.
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09-23-2007, 07:01 PM
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Serra might have given a lot of people problems, but his actual wins before GSP were:
Lytle, Menjivar, Curran, Dullanty, Edwards, Melisi, Telvi, Lewis
Yeah, so his biggest win was probably the one over Yves Edwards. Its a big step from the likes of Lytle and Edwards to GSP.
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