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[The Ironman]

I think Chuck will retire next year for sure, I'm guessing about 2 more fights after this 2 round KO of Sobral. Tito is retard for even thinking he should trade punches with The Iceman. He needs to work on his stand up skills more to really be a complete fighter....but with that said I think he could definatly hold the belt someday.

[killerinstinct]

Originally Posted by ortiz#1

tito has called chuck out all ready twice after vitor and on ufc 61 he knows he made a mistake standing new game plan = world title !!!!!!!!!!!

Tito called Chuck out at 37.5 and than said he couldn't fight Chuck ,b/c they were "friends".Tito's all talk.Tito will never beat Chuck ,b/c wrestling is his bread and butter,he's only average at everything else and Chuck is a better wrestler than him.

[killerinstinct]

Originally Posted by ortiz#1

you have no clue look at tito now ken was nothing that was just a grudge match look at the vitor match gets his nose broke in the first round comes back wins the round the only mistake he made when he went for the takedown in the 2nd round slips falls in a choke flips over to get out of the choke thats the ONLY reason vitor won that round tito had to give up top postion to get out of that vitor dishes everything he had and tito still ended on top that round droping elbows we all no what happened in the third round!! vitor needed oxygen after the fight , vitor trained 2 weeks for chuck when they fought!! and he did not look beat near as bad as what tito did, look at chucks face every time tito fights he knows that if tito fights titos way it will be a tough fight in there first fight that was the best chuck you will ever see 6 pack he was on that night , chucks time is almost up 38 is not 35 chuck still has the punch but the tank well i just hope he gets buy sobral and if he does fight wandy lights out liddell no way he stands and wins with wanderlei silva bad match up for him!!!

You can make paragraphs you know it's a lot easier to read.

I don't see how you could use the Vitor/Tito fight as proof that Tito can beat Chuck.Tito was completely dominated in that fight untill Vitor gassed and it was still a close fight that could've went either way.

[gunot]

first off i would like to say that chuck will fall to babalu.(submission)but if tito and chuck do fight again tito will have a much easier time.the first fight tito was to emotional.he has matured and his cardio is crazy.tito over chuck(decision).GGGG-GUNOT

[killerinstinct]

Originally Posted by TapOut27

Tito always looks great against mid-level opponets. Chuck and Randy both kicked his ass

And I feel that Tito has only won 1 in his last three, as I felt that both vitor and forrest should have gotten the win.

Having said this, Tito will be champ again, just not until chuck is steps down, as chuck will always have his #. Tito won't be able to take chuck down especially if randy couldnt really do it the second two fights, and randy is much better at takedowns then tito. Plus tito is a bad striker.

I agree with most of what you said ,but you're incorrect Randy took Chuck down in their 3rd fight and had him in the clinch and was getting ready to take Chuck down in their second fight untill he was intentionally poked in the eye.

[ortiz#1]

Originally Posted by killerinstinct

You can make paragraphs you know it's a lot easier to read.

I don't see how you could use the Vitor/Tito fight as proof that Tito can beat Chuck.Tito was completely dominated in that fight untill Vitor gassed and it was still a close fight that could've went either way.

tito got dominated right vitors first round flurry that nothing landed escaped some takedowns and then for the last 2min ate elbows. forrest got killed round one then tito gassed (because could not train right) took forrest alittle lite i agree,but forrest had the best chance to beat tito when you can easily tell hes hurt or something is wrong tito never gasses thats the last time you will ever see him like that tito vs forrest 2 will be a beating for forrest i said today aug.18,2006!!

[kickass32]

Originally Posted by killerinstinct

I agree with most of what you said ,but you're incorrect Randy took Chuck down in their 3rd fight and had him in the clinch and was getting ready to take Chuck down in their second fight untill he was intentionally poked in the eye.

I just watched that fight again last night, yes Randy took Chuck down, but could only keep him there for a matter of seconds, while doing little to no damage......intentional poke in the eye....

[dagreat1]

Originally Posted by ortiz#1

tito vs forrest 2 will be a beating for forrest i said today aug.18,2006!!

Easily... The entire fight would look like the first round of Tito vs Forrest 1. Tito does not gas, obviously the knee was a huge factor and rendered him unable to train hard. He's well known for his cardio so for him to gas especially after 1 round, you know there was an injury that kept him from being able to train properly.

Forrest didn't exactly wear down Tito unless you call blocking elbows with your face wearing down an opponent. The sprawls after Tito was already tired certainly wore him down even further but Tito had already gassed, I don't credit Forrest for that as much as I credit Tito not be able to train his usual regimen due to his ailments.

[ortiz#1]

Originally Posted by dagreat1

Easily... The entire fight would look like the first round of Tito vs Forrest 1. Tito does not gas, obviously the knee was a huge factor and rendered him unable to train hard. He's well known for his cardio so for him to gas especially after 1 round, you know there was an injury that kept him from being able to train properly.

Forrest didn't exactly wear down Tito unless you call blocking elbows with your face wearing down an opponent. The sprawls after Tito was already tired certainly wore him down even further but Tito had already gassed, I don't credit Forrest for that as much as I credit Tito not be able to train his usual regimen due to his ailments.

i agree!!! tito showed alot of heart in that fight , when i say tito in the 2nd round with those weak shots i called it right then to my friends that he was hurt , tito is the king of cardio, he took forrest to lightly,forrest can take a beating and keeps coming ill give you that!!! but not an A class fighter yet!

[sabean_13]

So when Chuck KO's him again which excuse will he and all his nuthuggers use then? I suppose he'll be injured or Chuck poked him in the eye again or how bout bad game plan?

Man every one of Tito's fights that he doesn't dominate all we hear is excuses. I remember before the Forrest fight he said he was injury free, then after the fight he all of the sudden was only at 60%. Give me a break! I hope they do feed Tito to Chuck again just so everybody sees that Chuck is the best LHW in the UFC.

Chuck is a better striker, he's a better wrestler, he has the best take down defence in the business, he hasn't gassed since 2003 and that was in Pride where they have 10 minute rounds that he obviously didn't train properly for, so I'm failing to see how Tito has an edge on Chuck at all.

For those that have been on here saying Chuck gasses please show me evidence other than the Rampage fight which I already stated was 3 years ago in a differently formatted fight.