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[baba]

Originally Posted by dagreat1

The fact remains... Pride did not back out of this fight and the simple proof for that is the fact that Silva is fighting Cro Cop in the OWGP. Obviously Cro Cop is a much more dangerous fighter than Chuck.

Thats proof Pride didn't back down from the UFC? Because Silva is fighting in the OWGP? Umm............yea............. definitely. How could we have missed that?? Long live the upstanding Pride organization and those classy Yakuza backers of theirs. Yup.

[Masscore]

I really dont care either way for Syliva. Dont hate him, dont really like him. But truth be told like a lot of other poeple have said, he will fight anyeone so I doubt he turned down this fight. It was probably Dana telling him no and wouldn't let him fight Fedor. And why should the UFC send someone to Pride? UFC has already sent people to Pride maybe its about time Pride sends someone to the UFC. It looked like for a second that it was gonna happen with Wandy but then Pride pulled the rug out from underneath that.

I like Pride a lot, I think for the most part their fights are more entertaining then the UFCs but I am getting sick of all this Pride bs. I am also getting sick of their fans that think Pride is by far the better oraganization. Hey how about the UFC sends Penn over to beat up Gomi again? or Hughes or GSP to bump up and beat the crap out of Henderson? Outside of HW I think UFC is stronger at all the other wieght classes. LHW/MW is a toss up with Wandy, Arona, Liddell, and Sobral. MW/WW I think is the UFCs cause Franklin would beat Henderson and I think Tanner would beat Henderson also. And LW belongs to the UFC, Sherk and Penn could go over to Pride and beat all of their LW. So when you look at it over all I think the UFC is the stronger organaztion. It just the HWs in Pride are so much better then the HW in the UFC that everyone is blinded by that.

[j-rock]

I agree with ruler. Dana is trying to save some face and put the blame squarely on the japanese execs. I think that there are several fighters in both organizations that would do well if placed in the other. Pride"s HW division is far superior, LHW is very close, but i think as you get down into the lower divsions it's much more difficult to pick favorites. Take Yves Edward for example. Does great in the UFC at first then goes to Pride and does well, then back to the UFC for two losses in row with a pride victory in between. Sorry i got off track. I still think that Fedor would destroy Sylvia.

[j-rock]

I think that you're a homer UFC nut hugger. Pride has huge advantages at HWand LHW/MW. I'd like to see a Franklin-Henderson fight but Henderson would kill Evan Tanner. I've personally seen both fighters fight and there is no way Tanner stands a chance. I think the UFC may have better WW/LW fighters but thats a toss up. Overall i think that Pride has better fighters from top to bottom but the UFC does have Chuck Liddell, Matt Hughes, GSP, and BJ Penn.

[the ruler]

Sorry to go off topic here , well sorta , but the only way to know whos gonna win between 2 fighters is to let them fight . Specualtion alone does not give(Fedor) an automatic victory, who knows if maybe Tim's jab does catch Fedor coming in, the 1 time they fight and ends it early , lets face it , if whuts his name can rock Fedor Tim can make him sleep ,I know my money would be on Fedor but whos to say we all been wrong before and theirs no reason for history not to repeat itself (us being wrong again)...I know all get called everything but genius for the post but , its the truth !

[ortiz#1]

i heard that the ufc was the one that was making trouble about silve-liddell , they wanted silve to sign a 3 fight deal , and pride was like screw that!! they need to come to terms , but there is alot a stake it comes down to $$$$$$$$$$$ do ufc vs pride and pride would crush them, i love the ufc but thats the truth HW-FEDOR, NOG , COLEMAN, CRO-COP AGAINST WHAT UFC GUY PICK!!!! LHW- SILVA , SHOGUN , ARONA , LITTLE NOG AGAINST ANY OF YOUR UFC PICKS I LIKE TITO AND CHUCK BUT THATS IT FOR LHW UFC CAN PRODUCE 2 GOOD FIGHTS IN EACH WEIGHT CLASS BUT THATS IT!!!

[dagreat1]

Originally Posted by baba

Thats proof Pride didn't back down from the UFC? Because Silva is fighting in the OWGP? Umm............yea............. definitely. How could we have missed that?? Long live the upstanding Pride organization and those classy Yakuza backers of theirs. Yup.

Yes smart guy, it is... The point I made is that Pride is not worried about a loss, Silva is fighting the #3 ranked HW in the world, Chuck does not eeven rank in the top 10 (pound for pound yes, but Wandy ranks in teh top 10 REGARDLESS of weight). Pride has nothing to lose, resort back to my original post before you chopped it up for the reasoning behind it.

Furthermore, organized crime has been heavily involved in prize fighting for many many years, no surprise it leaken into MMA as it follows the money. I would not be surprised at all if the UFC too has organized crime ties. It's the nature of the business, sorry you are unable to grasp the reality of that.

I seriously doubt Pride wanted to work with the Japanese mafia, it is more likely they were approached and they complied, you kinda do that when it's the mafia as they are capable of killing your entire family.

I would really doubt Pride was jumping up and down going, yay, we have to pay off the mafia now!

[ortiz#1]

Originally Posted by dagreat1

Yeah smart guy, I'm sure it was all Pride and not Dana "McMahon" White. You will believe whatever UFC crams down your throat. Your ignorance blinds you as you seem unable to decipher for yourself what is going on.

What does Pride have to lose if Wandy were to lose? Absolutely nothing, the fight would still bring a huge amount of publicity to Pride and Wandy would obviously not go out there and ket KO'd if Cro Cop and Hunt were unable to KO him (and trust me, if Chuck could not handle Rampage in 03 and barely handle Overeem there is no fucking way he could handle Cro Cop or Hund, sorry but its fact) so lets say Silva did lose, his performance would be world class in any event so it would gain Pride more American fan base regardless of the outcome (and I honestly could not see Chuck winning as great of a fighter as he is).

UFC on the other hand would have an absolute ton to lose.. Think about it, they have a HW champion that is the laughing stock of MMA, a MW that has been injured all year and the #1 contender came from Pride, beat the living shit out of UFC's undefeated iron chin Leben in 56 seconds and Leben did not land a single strike. So the UFC has Hughes which Pride knows is the best champion in UFC and he wold be champ in Pride if Pride had a WW division, and they have Chuck and Pride is supremely confident in Silvia.

He had not lost a fight in his weight division in over 5 years in Pride before Arona beat him. The fact is that after the UFC 61 stare down, UFC internet searches (Yahoo pole) went up around 60%+ and Wanderlei Silva's went up over 400%! UFC fans were very interested in Wanderlei after this mean looking animal like beast came into the octagon, stared down Chuck in such a manor that only Silva is capable of and talked that shit to Chcuk during the stare down.

The fact remains... Pride did not back out of this fight and the simple proof for that is the fact that Silva is fighting Cro Cop in the OWGP. Obviously Cro Cop is a much more dangerous fighter than Chuck.

Please leave your ignorant comments at SHERDOG where they belong.


Regarding the TOPIC: I'm sure Silvia did decline as after his ridiculous comments about calling Fedor a "little shit" and then going on to say "I'm not ready for Fedor yet" he knows he is not ready and that Fedor would manhandle the sloth and probably break something of Silvia's be it a face, arm, or ankle.

I am a fan of both orgs but when you are discussing HW in both orgs there is no comparison. LHW is a little closer and if Wand was not ther then Chuck would have a very good chance at beating Pride other top LHW though Arona would give Chuck tons of trouble.

i agree !!!!

[ortiz#1]

Originally Posted by dagreat1

Yes smart guy, it is... The point I made is that Pride is not worried about a loss, Silva is fighting the #3 ranked HW in the world, Chuck does not eeven rank in the top 10 (pound for pound yes, but Wandy ranks in teh top 10 REGARDLESS of weight). Pride has nothing to lose, resort back to my original post before you chopped it up for the reasoning behind it.

Furthermore, organized crime has been heavily involved in prize fighting for many many years, no surprise it leaken into MMA as it follows the money. I would not be surprised at all if the UFC too has organized crime ties. It's the nature of the business, sorry you are unable to grasp the reality of that.

I seriously doubt Pride wanted to work with the Japanese mafia, it is more likely they were approached and they complied, you kinda do that when it's the mafia as they are capable of killing your entire family.

I would really doubt Pride was jumping up and down going, yay, we have to pay off the mafia now!

you could have a very good point there boxing has been corrupt for years why not mma !

[SASK_MMA]

This site has alot of uneducated MMA FANS...i mean i have heard ppl say that Kos is going to be a champion, Karo won the Diego fight, Coleman has a chance, and thats just a few....But there was a couple ppl that posted on this thread that agreed with me and i agree with them, and with that being said all you dumbass mofo's go back to Shedog and Tell Josh Gross he is a faggot for releasing the tuff comeback spoiler....p.s