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[dagreat1]

Originally Posted by kickass32

and the real money is made on PPV buy rates anyway.....does anyone know what kind of buy rates Pride gets???

I don't think so but the fact that the Live gate is 2-3 times the UFC live gate you would have to assume that the PPV must be close to 2 times the UFC's as well.

[Boo]

Your form England? Well that explains it. jk[/QUOTE]

Please allow me to help out a fellow American. You + are is called a contraction. The "a" in are is dropped and replaced with ', thus you're. I think you meant from, not form, but England is good. All together now, "You're from England?" Can't have those mother-country types show us up, now can we?

I think this pointless speculation is making me cranky. Time to move on.

[Legend]

Originally Posted by dagreat1

Dana wanted a 3 fight contract with Silva, that's assinine, everyone knows this... Pride probably wanted a single fight contract like normal people when bringing in a top fighter from another organization and UFC would not budge so Pride probably said fuckit, we're going to be return the favor and be dicks as well. So they went on to tell UFC yes everything is fine and we will honor the 3 fight contract blah blah, before Dana had enthing signed he put them in the stare down thinking Sakakibara's word meant something.

It means about as much as Dana White's so Pride used it as free publicity and it worked wonders as Silva's name was heavily searched on the internet the following day.

From an business perspective I would've done the same thing... Seriously who the fuck thinks they have the right to a 3 fight contract with the #1 ranked LHW in the world, UFC thinks they have more power than they actually do.

They should've just agreed to a 1 fight contract and after that was over, I'm sure Pride would've been happy to provide another 1 fight contract.

It all seemed very strange anyway with Dana announcing the fight when Chuck is set to face Babalu and then Dana goes onto say "if Chuck gets past Babalu Sobral", it just left me with a funny feeling that the fight was not going to take place.

Interesting theory. Seems reasonable that it could have went down that way. But i really dont blame Dana for wanting a three fight contract. If Wandy wins then he's got the UFC's LHW title and Pride could just tell Dana to go fuck himself when he asks for Wandy to defend it in the UFC. A Pride fighter with the UFC's most prized title could really boost Prides stock in america with the casual fans.

[Legend]

Originally Posted by Boo

Please allow me to help out a fellow American. You + are is called a contraction. The "a" in are is dropped and replaced with ', thus you're. I think you meant from, not form, but England is good. All together now, "You're from England?" Can't have those mother-country types show us up, now can we?

I think this pointless speculation is making me cranky. Time to move on.

Ill worry about my grammar when im writing reports and essays. This is an MMA forum. So dont be a know it all fag. Ohh and before you start giving me shit maybe you should worry about learning how to quote correctly.

[Hypergit]

Originally Posted by alahyousious

Dana White has come out and said that the pride organization is hard to negotiate with. Until Pride comes out and tells there side we have to go with what Dana White says as the truth.

No, we can't just go with whatever Dana says - the man is a proven liar. He's not just gunna say, "yeah, I was being hard to negotiate with." and besides, maybe the Japanese are more polite than to discuss business publicly.

Originally Posted by alahyousious

That leads most of us to believe that for some reason Pride back out.

Pride Risk<<<< UFC Gain<<<<
Thus, regardless of the chances of Chuck winning, Pride wanted this to happen so much more than UFC that, thinking medium/long term, Dana really shouldn't have even considered it. And no way should Pride have backed out.

Consider that there are multiple political reasons why Dana could want to -appear- to want this fight without any intention of it happening (just one example could be to convince UFC fans that he has been fucked over by Pride and that Pride are bad guys undeserving of ppv buys...)

See - speculation here is, at best, fruitless. Basically, we don't know what happened yet.

Originally Posted by alahyousious

Its pretty obvious that your 100% for Pride

No. I love both Pride and UFC roughly equally. I also distrust their managements equally, although many seem to distrust Pride more even to the point of racism (I've heard ww2 mentioned etc etc)

Originally Posted by alahyousious

The real truth is until both organizations pull there head out of there ass we will never see this fight or any other Pride vs UFC fight.

I agree for the most part, however the real problem is not the organizations' ass intrusions - it is capitalism. You are right that we will only rarely see the best matchups, but the reason for that is the economic structure the organizations operate within. I go into more detail on this here: http://forums.mmanews.com/showthread...ght=money+trap

Originally Posted by alahyousious

Oh yeah and hows my english.

Ok. You certainly need paragraphs, and your plurals and appostrophes need thoroughly re-learning. I'll give you C- but a B for effort.

git.

[killerinstinct]

Originally Posted by dagreat1

I don't think so but the fact that the Live gate is 2-3 times the UFC live gate you would have to assume that the PPV must be close to 2 times the UFC's as well.

I don't think so.The UFC's gate is partially do to the fact that the majority of their events are in Las Vegas.If mma was sanctioned in New York or some of the other major cities their attendance would be much better.

[killerinstinct]

Originally Posted by Boo

Please allow me to help out a fellow American. You + are is called a contraction. The "a" in are is dropped and replaced with ', thus you're. I think you meant from, not form, but England is good. All together now, "You're from England?" Can't have those mother-country types show us up, now can we?

I think this pointless speculation is making me cranky. Time to move on.

Look we got another fucking English teacher on here.

[prideFAN]

Originally Posted by baba

Yea its got nothing to do with the fact that Pride used the UFC for free PPV exposure twice and then renigged on all fight deals. Why send Sylvia to a Pride show now? Why help that two-faced organization do anything? Sylvia has called out Fedor more than once and would love to fight him, and though he might lose, its more about business than anything. Pride is about as reliable and trustworthy as France. No hope in convincing a nuthugger like yourself though -- so keep handling youself each night staring at posters of Fedor.

Sounds to me your nuthuggen the ufc. It was never said who broke deal between pride and the ufc. Why would pride need free ppv exposure they have their own ppv events.

[Boo]

Originally Posted by thelegendrvb

Ill worry about my grammar when im writing reports and essays. This is an MMA forum. So dont be a know it all fag. Ohh and before you start giving me shit maybe you should worry about learning how to quote correctly.

Happy?

[alahyousious]

1.

Originally Posted by Hypergit

1. No, we can't just go with whatever Dana says - the man is a proven liar. He's not just gunna say, "yeah, I was being hard to negotiate with." and besides, maybe the Japanese are more polite than to discuss business publicly.



2. Pride Risk<<<< UFC Gain<<<<
Thus, regardless of the chances of Chuck winning, Pride wanted this to happen so much more than UFC that, thinking medium/long term, Dana really shouldn't have even considered it. And no way should Pride have backed out.

Consider that there are multiple political reasons why Dana could want to -appear- to want this fight without any intention of it happening (just one example could be to convince UFC fans that he has been fucked over by Pride and that Pride are bad guys undeserving of ppv buys...)

See - speculation here is, at best, fruitless. Basically, we don't know what happened yet.



3. No. I love both Pride and UFC roughly equally. I also distrust their managements equally, although many seem to distrust Pride more even to the point of racism (I've heard ww2 mentioned etc etc)



I agree for the most part, however the real problem is not the organizations' ass intrusions - it is capitalism. You are right that we will only rarely see the best matchups, but the reason for that is the economic structure the organizations operate within. I go into more detail on this here: http://forums.mmanews.com/showthread...ght=money+trap



4. Ok. You certainly need paragraphs, and your plurals and appostrophes need thoroughly re-learning. I'll give you C- but a B for effort.

git.

1. Just for my own personal knowledge, when was Dana White proven a liar? Any business man or economic teacher will tell you that the Japanese are very tough negotiators.

2. World wide Pride has very little to lose. In the U.S. the causal MMA fan most likely only watches the UFC. If the number one Pride lhw loses to the UFC lhw champ Pride might lose face to the CASUAL MMA fan in the U.S.

3. Yeah agreed

4. LOL ok I could have made my last to sentences a new paragraph but I did not. First you need to learn to spell apostrophes before you go telling anyone how to use them. I did not use any plurals that really needed an apostrophe.