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plus liddell was injured this year and had surgery on his toe so you cant really count him like tim sylvia hes fought 3 times this year and will fight again im sure before the end of the year rich has only fought once but he's out obviously with a broke hand so he has good reasons for missing out plus a lot of the pride guys fights are in tournys which really dont accomplish any type and according to sherdog crocop has only fought twice this year and wanderlei only once this year so how do the really big name guys fight way more than ufc's
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according to sherdog crocop has only fought twice this year and wanderlei only once this year so how do the really big name guys fight way more than ufc's

yes Mirko has "only" fought twice this year, but he is fighting in September in the OWGP which could lead him to fighting 2 times in the same night if he beats Wanderlei in the 1st match. Mirko also is scheduled to fight at the PRIDE USA debut in October which could be his 5th match of the year. I'm pretty sure he'll fight on the NYE show also which would give him fight #6. All depending on if he beats Wand of course. Mirko also fought 5 times last year, and 8 times in 2004. He is much more active than any UFC fighter.
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yes Mirko has "only" fought twice this year, but he is fighting in September in the OWGP which could lead him to fighting 2 times in the same night if he beats Wanderlei in the 1st match. Mirko also is scheduled to fight at the PRIDE USA debut in October which could be his 5th match of the year. I'm pretty sure he'll fight on the NYE show also which would give him fight #6. All depending on if he beats Wand of course. Mirko also fought 5 times last year, and 8 times in 2004. He is much more active than any UFC fighter.
5+ times a year insane for any Pride fighter. I mean seriously who does that?! That is what Jeremy Horn does in AA organizations and Travis Fulton as well, in PRIDE, that is ridiculous.

Chuck has fought 3 times in 1 year and I think that is the most he has ever fought in a single year in UFC.

If Cro Cop is durable enough to keep fighting Pride will keep on having him headline shows as is an an absolute crowd favorite, he is a huge name in the sport and he puts asses in the seats at stadiums and at homes and bars via PPV.

Same thing Hughes, Chuck, and Tito do though they do not fight as often as we would like. 3 fights per year is very active, that is the number where you would liek to see the star fighters.
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5+ times a year insane for any Pride fighter. I mean seriously who does that?! That is what Jeremy Horn does in AA organizations and Travis Fulton as well, in PRIDE, that is ridiculous.

Chuck has fought 3 times in 1 year and I think that is the most he has ever fought in a single year in UFC.

If Cro Cop is durable enough to keep fighting Pride will keep on having him headline shows as is an an absolute crowd favorite, he is a huge name in the sport and he puts asses in the seats at stadiums and at homes and bars via PPV.

Same thing Hughes, Chuck, and Tito do though they do not fight as often as we would like. 3 fights per year is very active, that is the number where you would liek to see the star fighters.
I agree, it's nuts to fight that many times in a year. I think he likes to prove after a loss that he is a warrior and will take any fight any time. I think eventually it will wear on him though.

I like what UFC does though as far as making their champions defense their titles more. It seems that time after time in PRIDE it's a bunch of these non-title fights for their champions. I understand alot of it has to do with GP's but it's kind of bogus when Gomi gets completely owned by Aurelio and is still the champ.
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LOL...r u the same prophet from rf.net?
Nope...never heard of rf.net. What is it?

As for the frequncy of fights, I think 4 fights a year would be good. A title defence every 3 months sounds about right. If you have an injury then you can skip 1 title defense (essentially getting a 6 month break), after that, you forfeit the title. You get 2 non-consecutive injury skips in a single title reign regardless how long you have the title (3 months or 3 years...does not matter).

UFC should also take a page from the PRIDE rulebook an impliment a multiple PPV tournament. I dig tournaments! You could also use these to determine a top contender. That is one thing I have always disliked with boxing, there was not a definitive way to say Boxer X was the #1 contender compared to Boxer Y.
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We'll have to get used to seeing more cards with nobodies and up and comers.There here's a good article about him from www.sherdog.com


In 1998, SEG, wheezing parent of a bastard sport, slotted a whopping three shows to exhibit for the entire year. Their world tour started in Louisiana, made a stop in Alabama, and ended up on display via a smoke-strewn arena in Brazil.

Not even the most generous of frequent-flyer mileage would’ve added up to much.

In early August of 2006, the UFC has already closed the book on nine shows, with up to seven more projected by the end of the year. Another half-dozen events from rival organizations will get queued up on the pay channels.

What a difference time — and management — can make.

The explosive growth of MMA, fueled by a national television presence and an influx of new promotions, seems destined to satiate even the most ravenous of fight fans. But instead of the expected salutations, the diehards are instead griping about diluted cards and swollen cable bills.

With so many events and so few athletes with ready-made personas, cards have become rife with newcomers. Anonymous faces are nothing new in boxing, where only the main event is expected to draw attention. But mixed martial arts followers have long enjoyed the myriad of talent on any given night, where even some un-televised preliminary match-ups stirred up more interest than the headliners.

That’s changing.

August 26’s UFC pay-per-view card is expected to have a minimum of seven debuting or low-visibility athletes. While it’s entirely probable that they’ll deliver fireworks in the ring, their lack of exposure means that fans have yet to develop an emotional interest in the outcomes. Instead of sharing the marquee with Chuck Liddell (Pictures), compelling mid-card fights like Diego Sanchez (Pictures)-Karo Parisyan (Pictures) are being shuffled into main events on free TV.

The perception is that the UFC is presenting a sub-standard product, which simply isn’t true. What is true is that, with up to a dozen more cards to fill, they don’t have an established talent pool big enough to draw from.

One solid card circa 2003 is now being divvied up to create enough substance for two or three cards for the ’06 circuit; the remaining slots are being farmed out to up-and-coming athletes who may lack the braggadocios behavior of their more renowned predecessors.

It's certainly a disturbing strategy, considering the UFC has imported only one A-list fighter in Anderson Silva since their success on SpikeTV in early 2005. Previously, it made perfect sense to continue bringing up homegrown stars on a budget until their visibility increased. Now it has — with multi-million dollars gates and mid-six figure pay-per-view buys.

Sad, but true: Couture is retired; Liddell is 36.

What exactly is the plan for when the current crop of box office draws fades out?

A fight is nothing more than a narrative, a dramatic conflict played out in 15 or 20 or 36 minutes. Without knowing anything of the participants, it’s difficult to garner interest. While the UFC’s Web page has made great strides in delivering personality profiles, their ambitions might best be extended to streaming video packages of rookie fighters usually reserved for moments before a bout.

(The Internet is little more than a publicity machine that runs day and night. Might as well maximize its usefulness and give the crowds something more to cheer for than a hometown or a cool tattoo.)

That fractured picture applies to MMA as a whole. With a crop of new promotions, often backed by deep pockets, elite competitors are being distanced from one another. Quinton Jackson (Pictures) would’ve rounded out the UFC’s 205-pound picture nicely. Instead, the WFA snapped him up.

In pursuing Wanderlei Silva (Pictures), the UFC is taking great strides in avoiding that isolation. But the picture seems clear enough: as long as PRIDE continues hemorrhaging employees, other investors will continue to snap them up for their own feeder showcases against mediocre talent.

(In most cases, the upstart shows will fold, victims of limited brand awareness; if someone has $40 bucks to drop on a fight, they’re likely to go with the proven product.)

In the interim, both casual and learned fans will be bombarded with multiple shows per month. The “itch” to see someone getting knuckled up that once lasted several months can be sated within the week, so long as you don’t mind a series of unfamiliar faces on the receiving end of a hematoma.

Can there be too much MMA?

That’s purely subjective, but one thing is clear: if you had told one of those combat-starved fans in ’99 that “too many fights” would eventually be broadcast, you’d likely wind up starting one for yourself.

For comments, email jrossen@sherdog.com

*Sherdog.com incorrectly reported Liddell as being 37.
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What angers me is when people talk about how the UFC gives they're "poster boys" easy fights yet never make mention of Fedor fighting Zuluzinho or Wanderlei Silva fighting Ikuhisa "The Punk" Minowa or Rampage fighting Dong Sik Yoon.It happens in both orginizations.
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