acrticle claims that rogan says couture on roids (kinda) - Page 6

Bus King · 10-03-2007, 08:36 AM

Every MMA fighter thinks or knows that Randy is on HGH and maybe Testosterone. It is hormone replacement but fortunately for him, it turns him into a 25 year old with the experience of a 44 year old. Possibly the best combination you can have. He does not take steroids.

You can post any pictures you want of Randy when he just entered MMA and compare not only his facial makeup, but also his bodyfat. His bodyfat has been about 4-6% for the last few years where it used to be 7-9%. His brows are thicker than before, he looks younger, and he is completely fresh and loaded with power and stamina which is just impossible at that age. But most imporatantly HGH staves off injuries that occur much more frequently in older athletes. HGH is the safest performance enhancing drug in the world. It lowers cholesterol wheras steroids shoot it throught the roof. It stabalizes blood pressure whereas steroids increase it dramatically. It makes bones, tendons, ligaments, and muscles all stronger. However they do not increase muscle cell size but instead increases amount of muscle cells. When combined with Testosterone, you are a friggin machine.

The only side effect is that it enlarges organs, and speeds up diseases like cancer. It can also give you carpal tunnel syndrome if you take it too much too fast.

Performance enhancing drugs play a huge part of top level competition in any sport. Steroids are on the way out because of getting caught. Now HGH is getting more and more out in the open and the Feds are zoning in on it. In fact they just made a huge bust on HGH and steroids, the largest in history. The main supplier out of China is no longer able to send shipments to the US.

rivethead · 10-03-2007, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Noob

Those wacky scientists, always changes atoms and stuff.

But this is actually a serious issue. The way the standards and testing are setup now, all a lab has to do for the most part is replace at most a few functional groups and at least an atom or two and what they have is no longer illegal.

Granted, it's not quite like rearranging your Erector set but considering the money involved in such things there are more than enough labs out there willing to do it.

The real science, and more troublesome issues for detection agencies are the labs and scientists who are able to change molecules just enough that they can alter the chemical signature so that it is no longer recognizably 'illegal.' So basically they take supplement 'Bob' and change a few functional groups on it. So if you are testing for 'Bob' it will not show up, even though the substance may still have 99% the same effects as the original.

It is essentially a footrace, with the guys making new products always inherently several steps ahead of those testing.

There have been a few cases of anonymous informants sending packets of engineered supplements to testing labs that the testers had never seen or heard of before, and would not have known to test for if they had not been told about it. Scary stuff.

molecular engineering is nuts...I remember being a kid and reading that scientists had created a mirror-molecule of sugar...tasted just like sugar, not that sweetener crap, but your body wouldn't metabolize it like refined sugar. the problem was it cost something like $2000 an ounce.

I think it's just as scary that someone would be willing to ingest cutting-edge suppliments before they had been tested long term. Freakshow side-effects? Well, all that counted was I got the W and tested clean...

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Clint · 10-03-2007, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Noob

Those wacky scientists, always changes atoms and stuff.

But this is actually a serious issue. The way the standards and testing are setup now, all a lab has to do for the most part is replace at most a few functional groups and at least an atom or two and what they have is no longer illegal.

Granted, it's not quite like rearranging your Erector set but considering the money involved in such things there are more than enough labs out there willing to do it.

The real science, and more troublesome issues for detection agencies are the labs and scientists who are able to change molecules just enough that they can alter the chemical signature so that it is no longer recognizably 'illegal.' So basically they take supplement 'Bob' and change a few functional groups on it. So if you are testing for 'Bob' it will not show up, even though the substance may still have 99% the same effects as the original.

It is essentially a footrace, with the guys making new products always inherently several steps ahead of those testing.

There have been a few cases of anonymous informants sending packets of engineered supplements to testing labs that the testers had never seen or heard of before, and would not have known to test for if they had not been told about it. Scary stuff.

The way alot of the testing is done by the athletic commissions these things will still test in some way as a steroid. They will leave a similar byproduct or your test to epitest ratios will be off or something. But they are legal to buy unlike their counterparts.

However like you said there will always be a doping race. Hell in Bill Romonawski's book he explains that he pretty much doped his whole career but he never took anything against rules, he was just was just ahead of the testing/rules curve. It just takes big money to put together a substance that noone is testing for or that has a short enough half life to be undetectable.

Bus King · 10-03-2007, 08:46 AM

You can still buy powerful steroids over the counter at my local gym. It's the loophole steroid that was advertised as a prohormone but was later found to be a very powerful steroid. It's brand name is Superdrol, but there are many copies of it and the one at my gym is called Liquid Masterdrol. It copies the two steroids Masterone (sp) and Anadrol to make a steroid that gives you about 15 pounds of muscle in three weeks, or for an endurance athlete about 5 pounds of muscle and unbelievable recovery and endurance. However, this drug is very hard on the liver and should be taken with many PCT's and liver support supplements. The muscle you get is all dry hard muscle, no water retention.

I can't believe they still sell it. It is illegal to make now but the leftovers are still fair game in many places.

Noob · 10-03-2007, 08:48 AM

Okay, I would like to break your post up into a few sections.

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Originally Posted by Bus King

Every MMA fighter thinks or knows that Randy is on HGH and maybe Testosterone. It is hormone replacement but fortunately for him, it turns him into a 25 year old with the experience of a 44 year old. Possibly the best combination you can have.

This is a completely unsubstantiated statement. There is no basis for claiming that "every MMA fighter thinks...that Randy is on HGH." Just simply no basis for that statement.

At best this is speculation, at worst baseless conspiracy-mongering.

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Originally Posted by Bus King

You can post any pictures you want of Randy when he just entered MMA and compare not only his facial makeup, but also his bodyfat. His bodyfat has been about 4-6% for the last few years where it used to be 7-9%.

First, I would like you to substantiate your numbers on Randy's body fat percentages. Unless you are sauntering up next to him in the shower every morning with a tape measure and loofa, I'm not sure those numbers would be considered much other than guesses.

If you have something to back them up, then that's another matter.

It also needs to be included the differing weight classes he has fought in over the years. At his size and build, it would be expected for him to carry more fat tissue around at HW where he was fighting when he "just entered MMA" as opposed to the last few years where until recently he fought at LHW. This would also account for some differing body compositions and would have nothing to do with drug intake or supplementation.

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Originally Posted by Bus King

His brows are thicker than before, he looks younger, and he is completely fresh and loaded with power and stamina which is just impossible at that age.

This sounds like a bad informercial for a rejuvenation formula.

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Originally Posted by Bus King

But most imporatantly HGH staves off injuries that occur much more frequently in older athletes. HGH is the safest performance enhancing drug in the world. It lowers cholesterol wheras steroids shoot it throught the roof. It stabalizes blood pressure whereas steroids increase it dramatically. It makes bones, tendons, ligaments, and muscles all stronger. However they do not increase muscle cell size but instead increases amount of muscle cells. When combined with Testosterone, you are a friggin machine.

The only side effect is that it enlarges organs, and speeds up diseases like cancer. It can also give you carpal tunnel syndrome if you take it too much too fast.

Performance enhancing drugs play a huge part of top level competition in any sport. Steroids are on the way out because of getting caught. Now HGH is getting more and more out in the open and the Feds are zoning in on it. In fact they just made a huge bust on HGH and steroids, the largest in history. The main supplier out of China is no longer able to send shipments to the US.

Aside from the claim of it being the "safest performance enhancing drug in the world", this portion of your post was pretty good. I'm no biochemical expert, but at least you sound like you know what you're talking about and are avoiding baseless claims.

And, while we're taking about physical changes in people's appearances over the years, take a look at Tito Ortz's head and facial structure. For those of you that understand the reference I am making and to what chemistry that would be attributed, just a thought.

marekny144 · 10-03-2007, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by virtualpurple

Cro-Cop is getting reconstructive surgery to fix a problem that likely came from his time in the ring getting plugged in the face, which is going to most likely result in improved gas exchange for him.

Hopefully the improved "gas exchange" ability will only affect his nose, and not his other orifice. Sorry, I couldn't resist.