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[tapper]

Originally Posted by BritneySpearsGuy

well, Mike "Quick" Swick, who i'd rank #2 at 185 is the only one that i think could take that belt from Franklin. Those 2 will clean out the 185 pound division. I think one of these 2 will be the UFC MW champion for a long time

i knew you were gonna sneak that in.
im taking matt based on what hes done and will do. i think he will destroy b.j. like a tidal wave, and gsp at 100% will be a coin toss. other than those guys matt should be ok for a while, they should send matt over to pride i think the matchups would be good for ufc. be a good way for matt to retire.

[Luis Cruz]

Originally Posted by Anthony

The question is who is the better champion, not the better fight. The answer to that is clear and simple, Rich Franklin. Rich is more marketable and has more of a chance to keep his belt then Hughes. Hughes has 3 guys that can take his belt and thats Penn, GSP and Sanchez. At this moment, Franklin only has one in Anderson Silva.

Aside from Diego being mentioned i agree with this post and i feel the same. Swick is no challenge for Rich, it'll be a Quarry replay. I don't think he gets by the crow either. If Rich beats Silva, which i think he will, he'll be back with no real challenge while Hughes has to get by Penn and then GSP, two guys that have a better chance of beating him than Silva has of beating Rich imo.

[UFCfanatic]

Originally Posted by Luis Cruz

Aside from Diego being mentioned i agree with this post and i feel the same. Swick is no challenge for Rich, it'll be a Quarry replay. I don't think he gets by the crow either. If Rich beats Silva, which i think he will, he'll be back with no real challenge while Hughes has to get by Penn and then GSP, two guys that have a better chance of beating him than Silva has of beating Rich imo.

Hey Cruz, give me your opinion on something. Lets say Swick actually does beat Loiseau at 63. Not just beats him but knocks him out. I know you don't think this will happen but just in case it does, do you think he would be next in line for a title shot?? I think Swick has built up a pretty big fan base and if he stopped Loiseau, the UFC would spin the fact that Franklin didn't do it. I know all this is hypothetical B.S. but I was just wanting your opinion because your posts are usually thorough.

[Luis Cruz]

Originally Posted by UFCfanatic

Hey Cruz, give me your opinion on something. Lets say Swick actually does beat Loiseau at 63. Not just beats him but knocks him out. I know you don't think this will happen but just in case it does, do you think he would be next in line for a title shot?? I think Swick has built up a pretty big fan base and if he stopped Loiseau, the UFC would spin the fact that Franklin didn't do it. I know all this is hypothetical B.S. but I was just wanting your opinion because your posts are usually thorough.

I think Swick is a good fighter. I don't think he's at the level of Loiseau though. I also didn't think Diego would beat Karo. It could happen but i see this as less likely as Diego's fight. IF it were to happen, he would most likely be at a title shot unless the UFC felt like waiting one more fight, but i doubt they'd risk that because no one else has built themselves up like Swick in the UFC so it would be better marketing for the UFC. And of course like you said with a KO win they would definately use that because Rich hit Loiseau with some bombs for 5 rounds and couldn't finish him, so Swick would make a HUGE statement with that. Again i don't see this happening but if it does, expect a Franklin/Swick title fight early next year.

[UFCfanatic]

Originally Posted by Luis Cruz

I think Swick is a good fighter. I don't think he's at the level of Loiseau though. I also didn't think Diego would beat Karo. It could happen but i see this as less likely as Diego's fight. IF it were to happen, he would most likely be at a title shot unless the UFC felt like waiting one more fight, but i doubt they'd risk that because no one else has built themselves up like Swick in the UFC so it would be better marketing for the UFC. And of course like you said with a KO win they would definately use that because Rich hit Loiseau with some bombs for 5 rounds and couldn't finish him, so Swick would make a HUGE statement with that. Again i don't see this happening but if it does, expect a Franklin/Swick title fight early next year.

Cool, I kinda figured that. Just wanted to get anothers opinion on it. Also, I think Franklin probably would've finished off Loiseau had it not been for him breaking his hand in the 2nd round. The only chink I've seen in Franklin is possibly a weak chin. I know I'm sounding a little like Quarry right now but he really has been floored by Tanner and Loiseau. But, to his defense, he recovery time from being rocked from those punches is probably quicker than I've seen in any other fighters.

[dagreat1]

Originally Posted by Anthony

The question is who is the better champion, not the better fight. The answer to that is clear and simple, Rich Franklin. Rich is more marketable and has more of a chance to keep his belt then Hughes. Hughes has 3 guys that can take his belt and thats Penn, GSP and Sanchez. At this moment, Franklin only has one in Anderson Silva.

You are sadly misstaken... Rich is nowhere near as marketable, Hence the $35,000 paycheck he recieved for his win over the Crow whereas on that same card GSP who is NOT the champ was paid $70,000.

Not to mention the fact that the ONLY PPV this year Franklin has headlined earned the UFC 11 million dollars whereas every other PPV this year has yielded over 18 million (Hughes headlined twice this year and the PPV with Royce sold the most PPV in UFC history).

Hughes is clearly the more dominant champion, puts more asses in the seats, fights bettter opposition and will remian champion for another 3+ years.

Mark My Words...

I am surprised so many heads still underestimate how good Matt Hughes is.

He would've beat GSP again, yes yes I know, GSP was winning the fight blah blah...

Fact is, Hughes absolutely raped him on the ground, it was an armbar clinic. He baited the other arm and GSP went to block it and got raped, it's really that simple and to think that the outcome would be different this time is just "hope" and nothing more than that. GSP will be champion and very dominant but his time has not come yet and Hughes just gets more and more dominant with every fight.

[Luis Cruz]

Originally Posted by dagreat1

You are sadly misstaken... Rich is nowhere near as marketable, Hence the $35,000 paycheck he recieved for his win over the Crow whereas on that same card GSP who is NOT the champ was paid $70,000.

Not to mention the fact that the ONLY PPV this year Franklin has headlined earned the UFC 11 million dollars whereas every other PPV this year has yielded over 18 million (Hughes headlined twice this year and the PPV with Royce sold the most PPV in UFC history).

Hughes is clearly the more dominant champion, puts more asses in the seats, fights bettter opposition and will remian champion for another 3+ years.

Mark My Words...

I am surprised so many heads still underestimate how good Matt Hughes is.

He would've beat GSP again, yes yes I know, GSP was winning the fight blah blah...

Fact is, Hughes absolutely raped him on the ground, it was an armbar clinic. He baited the other arm and GSP went to block it and got raped, it's really that simple and to think that the outcome would be different this time is just "hope" and nothing more than that. GSP will be champion and very dominant but his time has not come yet and Hughes just gets more and more dominant with every fight.

No mention of BJ in your post, a bit strange i must say. Franklin was already locked in a contract he signed with the UFC a while back which explains his paycheck you pointed out. Undercards have a lot to do with UFC buys also not just the main event. But speaking of main event, Hughes has been around the UFC a lot longer and everybody knows Royce so obviously those are gonna sell. Franklin fighting a TUF guy who was unproven in a real fight isn't the best selling point where as Matt fighting Royce is going to easily sell. Franklin can't help Matt's division is more stacked, that's why he said he'll be champion longer. After he beats Silva there's no one left. Hughes will still have to contend with GSP IF he gets by BJ and he isn't 'raping' either of these guys as was shown in their first encounters. GSP knows the mistake he made and it won't be so easy for Matt to lock an armbar on this time around, i think you're highly underestimating how good GSP is.

[dagreat1]

Originally Posted by Luis Cruz

No mention of BJ in your post, a bit strange i must say. Franklin was already locked in a contract he signed with the UFC a while back which explains his paycheck you pointed out. Undercards have a lot to do with UFC buys also not just the main event. But speaking of main event, Hughes has been around the UFC a lot longer and everybody knows Royce so obviously those are gonna sell. Franklin fighting a TUF guy who was unproven in a real fight isn't the best selling point where as Matt fighting Royce is going to easily sell. Franklin can't help Matt's division is more stacked, that's why he said he'll be champion longer. After he beats Silva there's no one left. Hughes will still have to contend with GSP IF he gets by BJ and he isn't 'raping' either of these guys as was shown in their first encounters. GSP knows the mistake he made and it won't be so easy for Matt to lock an armbar on this time around, i think you're highly underestimating how good GSP is.

The PPV Franklin fought on that only yielded 11 million was not vs Quarry, it was the Crow and it was a huge card as it had GSP vs Penn in addition Swick, Marquardt, Stout, Fisher, Hominick and Edwards the problem was that Franklin does not have a large following.

his match with A. Silva will show us where he is at amoungst the MW's.

I am not underestimating GSP at all, I know he is great but the fact still remains, when the fight went to the ground and GSP was on his back, he was undeniably raped.

I did not mention Penn as he is going to be dropping to LHW and no I do not think he is going to beat Hughes at UFC 63. Hughes is the Fedor of UFC and after he beats Penn, then GSP gets his much deserved rematch and is served another L it will rain true that Hughes is the best WW ever to grace MMA.

GSP will not be champion before he is 25 or 26 years old when Hughes passes the torch.

[Afro]

Originally Posted by dagreat1

The PPV Franklin fought on that only yielded 11 million was not vs Quarry, it was the Crow and it was a huge card as it had GSP vs Penn in addition Swick, Marquardt, Stout, Fisher, Hominick and Edwards the problem was that Franklin does not have a large following.

his match with A. Silva will show us where he is at amoungst the MW's.

I am not underestimating GSP at all, I know he is great but the fact still remains, when the fight went to the ground and GSP was on his back, he was undeniably raped.

I did not mention Penn as he is going to be dropping to LHW and no I do not think he is going to beat Hughes at UFC 63. Hughes is the Fedor of UFC and after he beats Penn, then GSP gets his much deserved rematch and is served another L it will rain true that Hughes is the best WW ever to grace MMA.

GSP will not be champion before he is 25 or 26 years old when Hughes passes the torch.

so what happens if Hughes loses to Penn, and then loses to GSP? he loses his Fedor title?

[dagreat1]

Originally Posted by Afro Samurai

so what happens if Hughes loses to Penn, and then loses to GSP? he loses his Fedor title?

Obviosly... However I do not forsee that happening, I feel that Hughes is going to wear down Penn just as GSP did and Hughes will not eat as many punches as GSP did.