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[ortiz#1]

Tito ortiz has been training with matt hamil with his wrestling game , tito will take chuck down it might be a boring fight but tito will out wrestle chuck and ground and pound for the title , tito has been working on his takedown with matt who is a greco roman god at wrestling( the guy did not use hands in tuf when he was training with bisping , matt is know where near a good mma fighter yet but his greco roman W is top notch . And he is pushing titos wrestling to a new level, tito will not stand with chuck he will go for the clinch and takehim down , tito knows if he stands with chuck the same thing will happen as the first fight. tito and chuck are the same size height and weight Randy said that tito was much stronger than chuck at udc 47 , chuck is by far the best striker at 205 in the ufc as is wanderlei is in pride arona beat silva by taking him down , tito and arona are both takedown and ground and pound fighters , i see tito in a tough fight with chuck but titos conditioning is better and tito will prove his wrestling is better than chucks , everyone said that trained with tito and chuck back in the day that chuck got the better striking of tito but that titos wrestling was better than chucks well titos training full time ( when he is in camp) with one of the best young wrestlers out ther in mma and matt hamil is teaching tito some great takedowns and some all around better greco moves!! people can flame me but thats how chuck will lose and tito will be the one to do it just like arona beat silva ON THE GROUND

[riggs]

wtf? are you really saying the reason chuck is gonna get beat by tito is because of some unproven wrestler helping tito? rediculous! there are great fighters and there are elite fighters, hammill is neither! tito could barely make it out of the fight with forrest and hes no elite fighter! Tito is great but hes not on the same level as liddell. Babalu is WORLD class and he was picked apart. do you really think tito would have that easy of a time with sobral? Bottom line....As long as liddell is champ tito will not be!

[MMAPIMP]

just because your a fan of a fighter doesnt mean you have to write and start a long thread saying they are gonna win .if that was the case i would start tons of threads saying nate the great marquadt wouldd beat franklin and fedor at the same time. its getting old now

[Jellsnacks]

how this fight will end out
Winner By TKO(Strikes)In Rd.1 And Still LHW CHAMP CHUCK LIDDELL
enough said

[riggs]

it really isnt even a debate right? does anyone really take tito fans seriously?

[paul]

wow how did i know when i saw the headline it was this douche bag that made this thread well i have the same thing to say to this one as i did the other one u made with the same headline hahahahahahahahaha fucking good joke i needed a good laugh now stop making the same threads over and over about fucking tito "the excuse maker ortiz" peace biotch im done with this gay thread

[KnowledgeKnown]

I think what he was saying is that Tito was increasing his wrestling skill with Hamill. And as far as that goes, Hamill is the man to help with that. As a fighterI don't think he loks very good right now, but as a wrestler Hamill is the man. That has been proven on a world stage. As Far as the fight with Griffin, I thought in the 1st round Tito showed a true difference in class the way he dominated Forrest, however then he gassed IMO. I feel Tito underestimated Forrest and maybe had too many long nights with Jenna. With that being said, i'm very cautious about giving Tito much of a chance against Chuck after the domination last fight. I would love to see the fight becasue unlike Sobral I do think Ortiz would switch his game plan up and make things abit more interesting.

[Mac]

Originally Posted by riggs

wtf? are you really saying the reason chuck is gonna get beat by tito is because of some unproven wrestler helping tito? rediculous! there are great fighters and there are elite fighters, hammill is neither! tito could barely make it out of the fight with forrest and hes no elite fighter! Tito is great but hes not on the same level as liddell. Babalu is WORLD class and he was picked apart. do you really think tito would have that easy of a time with sobral? Bottom line....As long as liddell is champ tito will not be!

100% correct.

[kickass32]

He does have a couple of good points................Why the fuck do people try and stand up with Chuck and trade punches? No one is gonna beat Chuck at that game.............Tito, I think, is smart enough to change up his game plan, and not try and go toe to toe.....whether or not he can actually take Chuck down is a whole different ballgame..............and Tito, if he can manage to take the fight into the 3rd round and beyond certainly does have superior cardio.

[riggs]

Originally Posted by kickass32

Why the fuck do people try and stand up with Chuck and trade punches? .

i know you sais it somewhat but the reason chucks fights stsy on the feet is because he has the BEST takedown defense in mma. I am a pride guy but chuck just doesnt get taken down,and when he does he somehow just stands back up. i know randy took him down in the first fight but chuck was not in shape at all. he is beyond that now. i think winning the title was the best thing that could have happened to him....its keeping him motivated