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[ArMnHC]

i just watched his post fight interview, and he made some good points about the rules in the UFC and how they score fights. I've never been much of a Nick Diaz cuz he whines so damn much, but after seeing his interview he makes some great points. i think unless you get submitted by a busted up opponent, decisions should be more damage based. think about it...in a street fight who "gets their ass kicked"? the guy who is bloodied up that's for sure! so do you guys think fights should start to be more damaged based then just based off of LnP or takedowns? opinions please!

i guess if that was the case then BJ would have beat St. Pierre and Alessio would have beat Diego... :banghead:

[TheBonger]

Originally Posted by ArMnHC

i just watched his post fight interview, and he made some good points about the rules in the UFC and how they score fights. I've never been much of a Nick Diaz cuz he whines so damn much, but after seeing his interview he makes some great points. i think unless you get submitted by a busted up opponent, decisions should be more damage based. think about it...in a street fight who "gets their ass kicked"? the guy who is bloodied up that's for sure! so do you guys think fights should start to be more damaged based then just based off of LnP or takedowns? opinions please!

i guess if that was the case then BJ would have beat St. Pierre and Alessio would have beat Diego... :banghead:

I dunno, its tough to judge a fight when it is evenly matched. But i dont think you could just go on apparent damage because some people bleed easy and some dont; Also a guy could land say three or four good elbows to the forehead and then get the shit kicked outta him the rest of the fight, but if the elbows landed on the right spots the other guy is goin to be bleeding alot. It so hard to tell which damage is cosmetic and which is real serious damage (except in certain cases see:UFC 40 Shammys head). Personally i would like to see UFC go to more of a Pride system, thus judging the fight as a whole instead of round by round. Say the first two rounds of a fight are razor close but Fighter A wins them with a strong last 30 secs each round. But then in the third Fighter B completely controls the round but cant finish him off.(saying that they dont give him 10-8 since it seems very rare) Should Fighter A win the fight? i dont think so but thats jus my opinion.

[fe4tw]

If they wanted the decision to be more damaged base, they'd have to scrap the current point system completely and have to adapt to a new system more similiar to the Pride system. Because with the current system they're scoring round-by-round, and not the fight as a whole. If it were damaged base, then BJ would have won, but the problem is that most of that damage he did to GSP was from round 1. I don't think he should've won the whole fight based on the damage he did in one round. So I'm leaning towards the current system.

EDIT: I do hate though how LnP and takedowns count for so much in the scoring.

[matto]

that would be bull shit some people bruse easily like me. a 10 year old could hit me and id get a black eye, but if somebody gets brused and bloodied but gets the takedowns and lands good punches then he should win.

[matto]

just like the dewees fight on tuf on thursday. he dominated most of the fight but was bleeding prefusley, so u think that he should lose. in that case tito should have lost the vitor fight, his face was so swellen after that fight.

[ArMnHC]

Originally Posted by matto

just like the dewees fight on tuf on thursday. he dominated most of the fight but was bleeding prefusley, so u think that he should lose. in that case tito should have lost the vitor fight, his face was so swellen after that fight.

Dewees' fight probably should have been stopped, not cuz of damage, but because of blood loss LOL. based on performance, yeah he whooped Ray's ass and stayed very composed after he got sliced open...but he was still very very whoozy after the second round. i guess the break in between rounds and the judges having to score the fight gave him a little time to get it together. but props to Dewees, he put on a great performance!

[Afro]

No that wouldnt be fair some bruise easier then others, some get cut easier then others.

[ArMnHC]

and i was just kind of agreeing with Diaz when he said he's never really lost a fight, except his first loss to Jeremy Jackson. all his other losses were by decision. i never saw his fight with Diego, but people say that one could have gone either way. also his fight with Karo was RAZOR close, but the way the scoring system is, it worked in Karo's favor with his takedowns and all. i agree that the scoring should be based on more of a "fight as a whole" scenario rather then round to round...but it's probably an American thing. when Pride comes to Las Vegas, i'm sure they'll be subjected to the same scoring of fights, which is unfortunate.

[Masscore]

First, Diaz is just pissed because he does damage to people but still loses matches because he has one of the worst takedown defenses I have ever seen. Sanchez took Diaz down at will in their fight. Sure he wasnt able to pass guard and do any real damage, he still dominated the entire fight. Diaz landed one foot to the head when Diego was attacking his guard and cut diego open. Now should diego lose that fight because he got caught with one foot to the head? No, he took Diaz down at will and sure his GnP didnt really do super ammounts of damage, he still hit from in the guard postion.

I can understand why people dont like how Takedowns and LnP is scored, but you know what if you can't stop a guys takedown and/or get back to your fight after being taken down you really dont deserve to win the fight. Leben vs. Kos comes to mind, Kos took Leben down at will, and sure Leben was throwing punches from the bottom, but none of them did anything. Kos got up without really looking like anything happened to him. Now for all you guys that think you can do damge from the bottom here is what I want you to do. Lay on your back and put an expierenced wrestler in your guard. He will only be allowed to fight for hand control, you can try to throw punches and elbows from the body. What you will soon learn is it is damn hard to do any damage off your back with punches because you have no moment in your punch. I hate LnP, but I can see how it wins matches.

The whole damage thing is stupid also. I know kids from wrestling that if you even brush their noise they are bleeding. Some people just bleed really easily.