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08-29-2006, 10:27 PM
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I forgot about Tito, he should be #10 and Nakamura should move to #9 IMO.
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08-29-2006, 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by dagreat1 I guess going undefeated in Pride for 5 years at LHW just isn't worth a #1 spot. Those people who created this ranking are bias as hell.
A. Silva at #2 is very high, IMO he should be #4, Hendo unfortunately I guesss should be #3 now and Filho #2.
I would also remove Riggs and insert Koscheck into the #10 spot.
Top 4 HW that is certainly accurate however Kid should be #2 as of right now. Yes he is stepping away from MMA to train for the Olympics so either remove hom completely from the LHW list or put him at #2, don't drop him a few spots because he's stepping away from MMA for a few years.
AA seems a bit high also, I would be inclined to think Kharitonov would beat both AA and Sylvia, at the very least AA so I see AA's ranking being way too high after his last performance. IMO he should drop to 10.
At LHW again Silva shuold be #1 (clearly) and the #10 spot should be a toss up between Nakamura, Igor, Randleman and Lindland and honestly, it should go to Nakamura as he defeated both Igor and Randleman... How does Nakamura fly under the radar???? Is it because people see his 9-5 record and fail to understand his 5 losses are to #4-#5 ranked LHW Little Nog (the top 5 LHW are truly on a different level than the bottom half of the top 10 and any of the top 5 could beat anyone else in the top 5 on any given day), #1 ranked MW Dan Henderson (fight was in 04 and Henderson was #1 at the time), #1 ranked Wanderlei Silva, and the #4 ranked HW Josh Barnett.
He has wins over Igor, Randleman, Bustamante, Kondo, Leko and Cyborg. Lindland lost to Bustamante, IMO clearly Nakamura should be #10 at LHW.
Other than the above the rankings are pretty solid! | I agree with everything except your view on #1 LHW. IMO, there should be a tie. I was really hoping that the November fight would take place to end this once and for all but that's probably not happening.
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08-30-2006, 05:03 AM
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I agree with you dagreat. Good points
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08-30-2006, 08:16 AM
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if wanderlei wins the owgp, then no. 1 belongs to him without a doubt
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08-30-2006, 08:48 AM
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I'm just gonna pick it apart a little, nothing too major just a few minor changes should be made.
HW - Seems pretty good, but I don't think AA should be that high. I think any of the guys below him would probably beat him.
LHW - Liddell just came off a huge win. But on the other hand Wandy has been on top for 5 years in Pride. If Wandy wins the OWGP he is number 1, no questions asked cause I dont see Chuck beating those guys.
MW - No Crow?? I agree with Silva being ranked 2 right now. I think he could beat anyone below him.
WW - Sherk should be ahead of Karo because he has 2 wins over him. But then again Sherk should be at Lightwieght since its offical that he is now fighitng that wieght class. Also Riggs has a win over Diaz.
LW - Sherk should be in there somewhere, near the top. I would acctually put him at number 1, but you never know. Some UFC guys should be in the rankings too. Edwards, Franca, Hominick and Steveinson are all pretty good.
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08-30-2006, 10:37 AM
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IMO, Chuck should be at the top of the LHW division. He's been more dominant and successful than Silva has been in their last few fights. Some people need to understand that these rankings are more about the fighters accomplishments rather than just who is the best. Just because someone is ranked #1 doesn't necessarily mean that they're the best fighter. All it means is that a fighter has been more successful, impressive, and/or dominant etc.
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08-30-2006, 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by fe4tw IMO, Chuck should be at the top of the LHW division. He's been more dominant and successful than Silva has been in their last few fights. Some people need to understand that these rankings are more about the fighters accomplishments rather than just who is the best. Just because someone is ranked #1 doesn't necessarily mean that they're the best fighter. All it means is that a fighter has been more successful, impressive, and/or dominant etc. | hmm
Wandy beat Fujita, Nakamura, Arona, Yoshida, Jackson,
Chuck beat Ortiz, White, Horn, Couture, Sobral
im taking Wandys resume over Chucks.
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08-30-2006, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Afro Samurai hmm
Wandy beat Fujita, Nakamura, Arona, Yoshida, Jackson,
Chuck beat Ortiz, White, Horn, Couture, Sobral
im taking Wandys resume over Chucks. | Wandy - Three of those names are ranked in the top ten. 4-1 in his last five fights, and three of those went to decisions.
Chuck - Everyone but White is ranked (and Randy who was ranked before retirement). 5-0 in his last five fights, and he stopped all the fights.
IMO, Chuck has been more impressive lately.
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08-30-2006, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by fe4tw Wandy - Three of those names are ranked in the top ten. 4-1 in his last five fights, and three of those went to decisions.
Chuck - Everyone but White is ranked (and Randy who was ranked before retirement). 5-0 in his last five fights, and he stopped all the fights.
IMO, Chuck has been more impressive lately. | I think its more impressive for Wandy cuz the guys Chuck has faced dont match up well against him at all, there wrestlers with average striking.. Wandy is facing guys that do match up well against him.
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08-30-2006, 12:03 PM
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Everyone on Silva's list are wrestlers and or ground specialists also. Rampage included, though granted he's probably a better striker than the guys on Chuck's list. The only reason they're a bad match up for Chuck and not for Silva is because Chuck's TD defense is way better than Silva's, they're still fighting the same type of fighters.
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