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[Mastiff_owner]

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[Mastiff_owner]

It sounds to me like everyone on this forum knows something that all of the trainers for chucks opponents haven't figured out. you all must be geniuses. Any given night any fighter can lose so throwing out all the pride names and saying this guy can beat him or that guy can beat him is rhetorical. the only guy that has a legit shot of beating chuck 9 out of 10 times is wandy and that fight is one that could go either way with chuck winning 9 of 10. Pride has a deeper division that is a given but the only fighter on chucks level is wandy. If it was so simple then everyone of his opponents would have come in with the same game plan and beaten him already. Chuck is the #1 or 2 LHW in the world depending on which org you prefer.

[dagreat1]

Originally Posted by Mastiff_owner

It sounds to me like everyone on this forum knows something that all of the trainers for chucks opponents haven't figured out. you all must be geniuses. Any given night any fighter can lose so throwing out all the pride names and saying this guy can beat him or that guy can beat him is rhetorical. the only guy that has a legit shot of beating chuck 9 out of 10 times is wandy and that fight is one that could go either way with chuck winning 9 of 10. Pride has a deeper division that is a given but the only fighter on chucks level is wandy. If it was so simple then everyone of his opponents would have come in with the same game plan and beaten him already. Chuck is the #1 or 2 LHW in the world depending on which org you prefer.

That's the comment of a fan that watches ONLY UFC. Shogun, Arona and Little Nog have no chance at beating Chuck?

Overeem, Igor, Nakamura and Randleman have no chance of beating Chuck either?

Continue watching UFC and talking that ridiculous ish, you know very little about MMA and especially Pride.

[CHUCKtheCHAMP]

Originally Posted by dagreat1

That's the comment of a fan that watches ONLY UFC. Shogun, Arona and Little Nog have no chance at beating Chuck?

Overeem, Igor, Nakamura and Randleman have no chance of beating Chuck either?

Continue watching UFC and talking that ridiculous ish, you know very little about MMA and especially Pride.

shogun was beat by babalu and weve seen wat happens to babalu with chuck... overeem and randleman have already been koed by chuck.. i really dont see arona getting chuck to the ground and or even if he did i dont see him keeping him there...thats wat people always forget... not only does chuck have the best takedown defense in the world but he has the undeniable ability to get right back up... arona mite lnp but when it went back up to the feet he be koed...i think wand and lil nog have the best chance....but i see chuck koing both of them...ive always thought wand could take chuck but lately thinking of waysthe fight would go i see wand playing right into chucks hands...

[AJL416AZ]

the only thing i disagree here is that Chuck uses the cage to get up half the time. He presses his back and shoves up, with something behind him, because wrestlers like pinning him up against the cage. Chuck on his back in the middle of a Pride ring is a Chuck that can't get back to his feet half as easily as in the UFC.

that being said, Shogun vs Babalu was before Shogun really hit his stride, and Babalu beat him on the ground, it had little to do with either of their striking games

[CHUCKtheCHAMP]

Originally Posted by AJL416AZ

the only thing i disagree here is that Chuck uses the cage to get up half the time. He presses his back and shoves up, with something behind him, because wrestlers like pinning him up against the cage. Chuck on his back in the middle of a Pride ring is a Chuck that can't get back to his feet half as easily as in the UFC.

that being said, Shogun vs Babalu was before Shogun really hit his stride, and Babalu beat him on the ground, it had little to do with either of their striking games

the babalu shogun fight was like 2 years ago maybe 2 and a half so i think shogun was in stride... and yeah the cage does help him... i think he could still get up though

[Mastiff_owner]

Originally Posted by dagreat1

That's the comment of a fan that watches ONLY UFC. Shogun, Arona and Little Nog have no chance at beating Chuck?

Overeem, Igor, Nakamura and Randleman have no chance of beating Chuck either?

Continue watching UFC and talking that ridiculous ish, you know very little about MMA and especially Pride.

You have no clue what I watch and don't watch. As I said before anyone can win on any night at this level of competition. I think the problem is you need to get the pride nuts out of your mouth. You also probably thought hendo was unstoppable until he lost.

[Afro]

Man Shoguns standup is incredible, what im wondering is.. Chuck is an aging counterpuncher he goes up against a guy like Shogun who wont just throw shin kicks at you, and his fists but he'll throw all sorts of different kicks at you.. and he does it real well

and if you wanna talk about Shogun vs Babalu.. Babalu took Shogun to the ground which is somethin he couldnt do to Chuck, how about Chuck vs Rampage.. Chuck couldnt hurt Rampage and lost standing and on the ground.. Shogun TKO'd him convincingly.

[killerinstinct]

KEEP YOUR DISTANCE and throw lots of leg kicks.Jeremy Horn had success against Chuck with leg kicks,so has others.Chuck doesn't check the kicks ,b/c he figures he'd rather just throw a leg kick back or load up a shot.That's why you KEEP YOUR DISTANCE!You wear down his legs that's going to make it easier to take him down later on.

Don't engage in the stand up early on(Don't pull a Babalu.)Keep your distance and fight smart.

Come in with good conditioning and prey to god that Chuck.didn't.Conditioning hasn't been a problem with Chuck recently ,but it's been a problem in the past and with the lack of competition(for now) in the UFC LHW division he could over look someone and not train as hard as he normally would causing him to gas and lose the fight in the late rounds.


Use your jab and keep your distance.(Beat him to the punch)Get in and get out.

Chuck is the best LHW in the world now and I couldn't really see anyone beating him ,but it is possible.No one is invincible(not even Fedor.)

[dagreat1]

Originally Posted by CHUCKtheCHAMP

shogun was beat by babalu and weve seen wat happens to babalu with chuck... overeem and randleman have already been koed by chuck.. i really dont see arona getting chuck to the ground and or even if he did i dont see him keeping him there...thats wat people always forget... not only does chuck have the best takedown defense in the world but he has the undeniable ability to get right back up... arona mite lnp but when it went back up to the feet he be koed...i think wand and lil nog have the best chance....but i see chuck koing both of them...ive always thought wand could take chuck but lately thinking of waysthe fight would go i see wand playing right into chucks hands...

I will handle this response and move onto the next one...

Shogun actually lost 3 years ago, not 2 and not 2.5, it was also BEFORE he went to Pride and before he was training with Chute Box. In addition Shogun is 24 years old and was 21 years old. He was also in nowhere near as good of physical shape as he is now so Babalu taking him to the ground would not happen as we saw how much trouble Little Nog had taking him down as Shogun was able to take the fight to the ground at will.

I don't think there is any question as to the outcome in a rematch... Nice try though.

You see Chuck Ko'ing 2 fighters that have never been KO'ed before and have faced harder punchers than Chuck? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.


Arona can lift a fuggin truck, he does not lose power as the fight goes on, he is in far better shape than Chuck, he would be able to get the fight to the ground every round and has excellent leg kicks, I see him pounding out a decision.

Little Nog can't be KO'ed, he is a freak of nature, he has an iron chin, some of the best cardio in MMA, excellent boxing and his hands are nearly twice the size as normal peopel hands which translates into massive fists and ungodly grip strength, Big Nog has this gift as well, that is why they are able to hold opponents by the wrists and keep them at bay so easily.

Shogun is Shogun and I don't believe that you have seen the Shogun vs babalu fight or you would not have made that remark as you would clearly know Shogun looks nothing like he did physically and is a world class fighter now as he trains hand and hand with Silva now which has elevated his game ten fold.

Yes he beat Overeem and Randleman but don't be adouche, Overeem was fucking Chuck up with knees to the body, Chuck was hurt and Overeem gassed then Chuck pulled out the win. To think that Chuck would just KO him in a rematch is assinine, that is your problem, I don't think you have watched any of these old fights, just looked at stats.