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[Matt Boone]

He wasn't #2 to me back in that time period, I remember it specifically because it was back when I was still talking about the sport everyday with actually you same people. I picked Nog to beat him, I've almost always gone against him when he fights wrestlers (Waterman, Randleman, Coleman) just because in each case I thought one would get a takedown and beat him up on the ground. Even with Randleman winning by KO the first time, I picked him to win the rematch because I thought ok everyone's assuming what happened in the first fight won't happen in the rematch, and I'm like yah it won't, but what should've happened in the first fight (Randleman getting him down and GnPing him) is gonna happen the second time. Unfortunately I was wrong there, but still. I'm definitely not one of those "ooh'er" and "ahh'er"s because he's got a cool high kick.

[Afro]

Originally Posted by LA Suxs

he gets a win here or there is my main reason, and his record is padded down wit guys who are much smaller or very inexperienced. specially for today's standards. and lately his record isnt much to show off

but if some people feel his high kick is enough to overcome his on and off streaks then by all means

ask yourself this though, does Tim Sylvia beat Cro-Cop in a fight? any venue?

[Matt Boone]

That's not how rankings work, but either way compare Sylvia's accomplishments to CroCop's. He's got Sylvia on his list and pretty high too, yet CroCop doesn't make the list at all?

[killerinstinct]

Originally Posted by Afro Samurai

Cro-Cop should be in the Top 10....

crocop should be in the ****ing top 5!!!!!!kass,kdude,and lasux baffel me sometimes.

[killerinstinct]

why the f-uck did you start censoring us?

[Matt Boone]

I don't know, I noticed that recently too. If Cruz didn't do it then my boss must have come on here and put cussword censors on because of the ad networks or something probably.

[LA Suxs]

well boone maybe you didnt. but you do remember all those that would put mirko at #2 over Minotauro wit the excuse that he's the contender to the belt although Pride does have its weird ways of gicing shots at times.

and why the **** would Mirko be #5?
when's the last time he held a belt?
how many wins has he gotten since his last loss to a novice in Hunt?
Minowa is supposed to make it all up?

I guess the 2 champions, Minotauro who's only lost to the champion, the former champion and the guy who beat him should be behind him. Even Barnett since then beat Aleks and Nakamura, much better than losing to Hunt and then beatin Minowa. Mirko barely even faces hws, mainly LHWs or even MWs(185) who just are fed to him

[Matt Boone]

Irregardless you could make the same argument about Vanderlei Silva up until about a year ago or something, and that's about the same time he went from being undefeated for years to losing a few and winning a few via close ass decisions. Yoshida/Arona on the close ass decisions, Arona/Hunt on the losses. Most of his wins come against people smaller than him, people who are not on his level, and a combo of the two - smaller people who aren't on his level.

Mirko would be at number five because outside of Fedor and Nogueira there really is no guarantees for spots in top 10 rankings at Heavyweight (that is of course besides himself). I mean there is, but not guaranteed to be at the top. So before the Hunt fight, you had to have CroCop at 5 or higher because other than Fedor/Nog and at the time Arlovski (this is before Sylvia II) he was the only one not only not losing, but piling up wins. You can throw the Fedor fight out, but still he went the distance and it wasn't like utter domination. Most of Fedor's fights don't go the distance. That's taking into account someone's performance when making up a ranking list. Throw in the Hunt fight again nowhere near domination, he just lost a decision in basically a kickboxing match to a better kickboxer. He lost yes, but not in a dominating way or to someone he shouldn't of lost to. It was someone who could beat him, and happened to do so in the eyes of the three people who matter (the judges).

He hasn't held a belt in MMA. But as far as Heavyweights go in today's top 10, no one else has either except Fedor/Nog in PRIDE and Arlovski/Sylvia in UFC. Well Barnett had the UFC title ages ago from a steroid fight against the much smaller and on-a-downslide Couture. So that isn't really saying much as to why Mirko isn't worthy of a top TEN ranking right now.

How many wins has he gotten since his loss to a 'biased wording' Hunt? One, but how many fights has he had lol? How many opportunities has he had for fights? I've already argued why before Hunt in my OPINION why he was number five, so here all I've got to say in defense is what I just said. And knowing that, you don't drop from top 5 (I had him at 4) to off the top 10 completely from a fairly close decision loss to another kickboxer in a stand up fight.

Minowa is supposed to make it all up, no. But Kharitonov lost to a MW and I'm sure he wasn't effected THAT much by it. Barnett lost to CroCop twice and beat Aleksander after getting his butt pulverized for 90% of the fight (again, taking into account how the fight went not just the outcome). Nakamura makes up for all that? (This is coming from a big Barnett fan too). I mean if I took the time to break everyone on your list down, I could find a lot more reasons for guys you have to be dropped completely off by your own rules, but for the sake of my time I'll stick to the CroCop isn't a top 10 Heavyweight debate because it's too easy.

[LA Suxs]

actually ask around i did make that argument bout Silva after te Gp. I felt he loss and thats wat matters no matter if he got to keep his belt

Well now i dont feel like arguing bout the Hunt result, i just gotta say i agree wit the judges. and well Mirko had a dumb game plan trading wit him when he has yrs of grappling under his now (figurative belt of course)

Alistair was a big LHW(205) who i believe weighed in as much or more than Kharitonov

Nakamura counts for a whole lot more than Minowa, due to weight and competition. Then the Barnett decision was very lack luster, while Barnett submitted Aleks and beat Nakamura decisively (forget if KO or sub)

Come on Fedor just dominated Mirko. Stand-up and ground, Mirko was overwhelmed and schooled. Now if we're going by how they do, Kanehara lasted the whole match wit Mirko wat does that say? Yoshida finished Hunt first round

i backed up why i feel Mirko isnt top ten on my list, if your criteria is fdifferent which is obvious then fine. but come on i saw a lot of guys who just put up guys who get the air time on the rankings and are told are good

[kickass32]

let's face it.....this is so opinion oriented, that it really doesn't matter. Most of the top 5 fighters in every weight class could fight 10 times and probably come away with 5 wins each. The difference today in the best fighters in the world really is minute.