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[eazye76]

IMO if/when Quinton gets the rematches w/ Wand and Shogun they will be two totally diffrent fights.

-Shogun - Rampage fought him after the two Wandy fights. To me that was a turning point in Rampage's carrer. I don't think he was recovered [mentally] from those to stoppages against Wandy. Both of the Rua's schooled him(I thought Ninja kicked his ass). But now he seems to be the beast he used to be and I would take him in a rematch.

-Silva - This is a diffrent story, I had Quinton winning the second fight until the infamous Thai clinch/knees. First you have to ask yourself if Rampage can avoid the clinch, and if so what sort of psychlogical toll do the two losses take. I see Quinton as a diffrent, stronger fighter than he was at the end of his Pride career.

If Wand wins I see it ending with knees in the clinch, If Quinton wins I see a KO/TKO on the feet.

[macewen]

Originally Posted by kc56

A very valid opinion that I happen to agree with.
People need to realize 3 things.

1. None of them are the same fighters they were back then. Especially Rampage. His training, camp, and overall preparation have all come leaps and bounds since back then. Shogun very well could have been at his peak then. We will see about Wandy. I want him to crush Chuck, and I think he will, but let's see.

2. Rampage almost finished Wandy the second time around. Then something happened and he took 16 consecutive knee strikes to be KO'd. I really don't see that happening again.

3. In his fight with Shogun, Rampage broke his rib pretty much right away, then he suffered the consequences the rest of the fight. People talk about it like Shogun just destroyed Rampage and after the fight it was discovered that the ass kicking was so thorough that he also had a broken rib.

Go back and watch the fight again. Rampage is telling his corner it is broken like a minute or minute and a half into the fight. He then continues to tell them while Shogun tries to put the hurt on Rampage. The guy was pretty much crippled for the whole fight, and Shogun couldn't put him out. A rematch will be much different.

If people want to talk about Penn and CC's rib injury, they cannot ignore this one. Props to Shogun for doing that damage, but the rest of the fight he was trying to kill a very very injured Rampage, and he couldn't.

haha dude, u took the words RIGHT out of my mouth...agree on everything.

[goldie1692]

He is a different fighter now, since he started training with Juanito. He is not just a different fighter physically but also mentally, and I think that he will get his revenge on Wandy if and when they fight, but not to sure about Shogun.

[Rufio]

Yeah ... Rampage was not "winning" the second fight with Wanderlei until the end. The first round was even with an edge to Wand pretty much all the way up until the last minute where Rampage rocked him with a good shot. And then Quinton didn't land anything significant until RIGHT as the bell rang. In the second round, it was again even with a slight edge to Wand until he landed a good shot that rocked Rampage, then finished him off with a few knees.

Rampage doesn't really look much different to me. He beat Chuck with the same strategy as last time and he had a razor close decision against Dan Henderson. It's not like he didn't already do things as impressive as that during his days in Pride.

I'd still pick Wanderlei to win. Not sure about Shogun.

[ArMnHC]

to the people who feel Rampage doesnt look any different/better from his days in Pride is a fool. he has refined his style, and doesnt go after a pure brawl nearly as often anymore. he's a much smarter fighter and a helluva lot better!

the first time one of those rematches comes along, ill take Rampage on a 3 week AV bet, so people who are Shogun/Wandy fans out there remember this

[Rufio]

WTF are you talking about? The only time Rampage "brawled" was when he first started out. He fought very intelligently against Igor, Wanderlei, Arona, Chuck the first time (he fought Chuck the first time exactly like he did in the rematch), etc. Rampage's striking looks virtually the same and he'd shown wrestling on par with what he showed against Hendo when he took on Arona.


Actually, the biggest difference I've seen in Rampage is that he hasn't had one of those big ass slams in awhile.

[Kansas]

Originally Posted by Ubermensch

To some of the posters I have to ask "Does Rampages D!ck taste good!!" The Guy isn't that much better than he was. He has cleaner hits and that is it. You guys are suckin him off so bad like he is the second coming for beating Chuck Liddel who I always thought was over rated. and as for Hendo good fight but I still don't think Rampage decisively won that.

He beat Hendo hands down. Hendo is a well liked fighter and just like all of the fan faves we dont like to see him lose but he was dominated the whole uneventful match. There was no question whatsoever who won that match.

I have to totally agree with you about Lidell. I called it a long time ago that when he started to face strikers he would start losing some matches.

Anyway, with the Pride guys coming into the UFC we really have to see some of these guys in a few matches to see where they are in their game. I have to say that the Hendo match gave Rampage more credibility in my book than the Chuck fight because his fight with Chuck ended so quickly. He had to actually beat Hendo. Don't get me worng......I bet Rampage on both fights.

[dagreat1]

Originally Posted by ArMnHC

WAR Rampage!

its a shame he still gets no respect when it comes to rematches with Wand and Shogun. in the UFC, Rampage would beat them both.

If I recall correctly, didn't Rampage get his head kneed in while standing (the Shogun fight ended with stompings but his face was destroyed while standign, as was his rib)? How exactly does the unified NSAC rules that UFC uses come into play ala you saying "in the UFC, Rampage will beat both of them"?

[dagreat1]

Originally Posted by Kansas

He beat Hendo hands down. Hendo is a well liked fighter and just like all of the fan faves we dont like to see him lose but he was dominated the whole uneventful match. There was no question whatsoever who won that match.

I have to totally agree with you about Lidell. I called it a long time ago that when he started to face strikers he would start losing some matches.

Anyway, with the Pride guys coming into the UFC we really have to see some of these guys in a few matches to see where they are in their game. I have to say that the Hendo match gave Rampage more credibility in my book than the Chuck fight because his fight with Chuck ended so quickly. He had to actually beat Hendo. Don't get me worng......I bet Rampage on both fights.

Sorry for the doule post but man, you're on Rampage's nuts if you think he dominated Hendo for the entire fight. Hendo won rounds 1 and 2, even the judges had it scored that way. And yes, there is a question to who won that fight, many feel it should've been a draw.

And no, I'm not getting you wrong, I'm sure you did bet Rampage on both fights... becasue his nuts taste delicious to you.

[FFFRpickup]

Originally Posted by jlruthven84

It might take longer, but a healthy Wandy or Shogun would probably still beat Rampage.

wandy was saved by the bell if the last fight with rampage and shogun will be overpowered this time around.

rampage has improved dramatically in the last 5 years. wand has declined..shogun..still great but won't finish rampage.

my two cents worth.